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Comprehensive National Energy Policy
Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality
March 5, 2003
10:00 AM
2123 Rayburn House Office Building


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                  COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY

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                                HEARINGS

                               before the

                 SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND AIR QUALITY

                                 of the

                    COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                      ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                       MARCH 5, 12, and 13, 2003

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                            Serial No. 108-7

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                  COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY

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                                HEARINGS

                               before the

                 SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND AIR QUALITY

                                 of the

                    COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                      ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

                               __________

                       MARCH 5, 12, and 13, 2003

                               __________

                            Serial No. 108-7

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       Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Commerce


 Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/
                                 house

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                    COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE

               W.J. ``BILLY'' TAUZIN, Louisiana, Chairman

MICHAEL BILIRAKIS, Florida           JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan
JOE BARTON, Texas                    HENRY A. WAXMAN, California
FRED UPTON, Michigan                 EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts
CLIFF STEARNS, Florida               RALPH M. HALL, Texas
PAUL E. GILLMOR, Ohio                RICK BOUCHER, Virginia
JAMES C. GREENWOOD, Pennsylvania     EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York
CHRISTOPHER COX, California          FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey
NATHAN DEAL, Georgia                 SHERROD BROWN, Ohio
RICHARD BURR, North Carolina         BART GORDON, Tennessee
  Vice Chairman                      PETER DEUTSCH, Florida
ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky               BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois
CHARLIE NORWOOD, Georgia             ANNA G. ESHOO, California
BARBARA CUBIN, Wyoming               BART STUPAK, Michigan
JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois               ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York
HEATHER WILSON, New Mexico           ALBERT R. WYNN, Maryland
JOHN B. SHADEGG, Arizona             GENE GREEN, Texas
CHARLES W. ``CHIP'' PICKERING,       KAREN McCARTHY, Missouri
Mississippi                          TED STRICKLAND, Ohio
VITO FOSSELLA, New York              DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado
ROY BLUNT, Missouri                  LOIS CAPPS, California
STEVE BUYER, Indiana                 MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania
GEORGE RADANOVICH, California        CHRISTOPHER JOHN, Louisiana
CHARLES F. BASS, New Hampshire       TOM ALLEN, Maine
JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania        JIM DAVIS, Florida
MARY BONO, California                JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois
GREG WALDEN, Oregon                  HILDA L. SOLIS, California
LEE TERRY, Nebraska
ERNIE FLETCHER, Kentucky
MIKE FERGUSON, New Jersey
MIKE ROGERS, Michigan
DARRELL E. ISSA, California
C.L. ``BUTCH'' OTTER, Idaho

                  David V. Marventano, Staff Director

                   James D. Barnette, General Counsel

      Reid P.F. Stuntz, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel

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                 Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality

                      JOE BARTON, Texas, Chairman

CHRISTOPHER COX, California          RICK BOUCHER, Virginia
RICHARD BURR, North Carolina           (Ranking Member)
ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky               ALBERT R. WYNN, Maryland
CHARLIE NORWOOD, Georgia             THOMAS H. ALLEN, Maine
JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois               HENRY A. WAXMAN, California
  Vice Chairman                      EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts
HEATHER WILSON, New Mexico           RALPH M. HALL, Texas
JOHN SHADEGG, Arizona                FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey
CHARLES W. ``CHIP'' PICKERING,       SHERROD BROWN, Ohio
Mississippi                          BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois
VITO FOSSELLA, New York              KAREN McCARTHY, Missouri
STEVE BUYER, Indiana                 TED STRICKLAND, Ohio
GEORGE RADANOVICH, California        LOIS CAPPS, California
MARY BONO, California                MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania
GREG WALDEN, Oregon                  CHRIS JOHN, Louisiana
MIKE ROGERS, Michigan                JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan
DARRELL ISSA, California               (Ex Officio)
C.L. ``BUTCH'' OTTER, Idaho
W.J. ``BILLY'' TAUZIN, Louisiana
  (Ex Officio)

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                            C O N T E N T S

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Hearings held:
    March 5, 2003................................................     1
    March 12, 2003...............................................   231
    March 13, 2003...............................................   295
Testimony of:
    Aurilio, Anna, Legislative Director, U.S. Public Interest 
      Research Group.............................................   124
    Benjamin, Jeffrey A., Vice President, Licensing and 
      Regulatory Affairs, Exelon Nuclear.........................   131
    Brownell, Hon. Nora Mead, Commissioner, Federal Energy 
      Regulatory Commission......................................    55
    Buccino, Sharon, Senior Attorney, Natural Resources Defense 
      Council....................................................   419
    Douglass, Bill, CEO, Douglass Distributing Company, on Behalf 
      of the National Association of Convenience Stores and the 
      Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America.......   444
    Early, A. Blakeman, Environmental Consultant, American Lung 
      Association, on Behalf of Northeast States for Coordinated 
      Air Use Management.........................................   449
    English, Glenn, CEO, National Rural Electric Cooperative 
      Association................................................   329
    Ervin, Sam J., Commissioner, North Carolina Public Utility 
      Commission.................................................   349
    Fertel, Marvin S., Senior Vice President of Business 
      Operations, Nuclear Energy Institute.......................   117
    Gent, Michehl R., President and Chief Executive Officer, 
      North American Electric Reliability Council................   389
    Kanner, Marty, Coordinator, Consumers for Fair Competition...   410
    Keil, Julie, Director of Hydro Licensing and Water Rights, 
      Portland General Electric..................................   248
    Lyman, Edwin S., President, Nuclear Control Institute........   136
    Masonis, Rob, Director, Northwest Regional Office, American 
      Rivers.....................................................   255
    Massey, Hon. William L., Commissioner, Federal Energy 
      Regulatory Commission......................................    47
    McSlarrow, Hon. Kyle, Deputy Secretary, U.S. Department of 
      Energy.....................................................    23
    Meserve, Hon. Richard A., Chairman, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory 
      Commission.................................................    33
    Meyer, Alden, Director of Government Relations, Union of 
      Concerned Scientists.......................................   159
    Moore, W. Henson, President and CEO, American Forest & Paper 
      Association, on Behalf of Electricity Consumers Resource 
      Council and American Chemistry Council.....................   343
    Murphy, Edward, General Manager, Downstream, American 
      Petroleum Institute........................................   431
    Nadel, Steven, Executive Director, American Council for an 
      Energy-Efficient Economy...................................   141
    Norlander, Gerald A., Executive Director, Public Law Project 
      of New York, Chairman, National Association of State 
      Utility Consumer Advocates.................................   398
    O'Hagan, Malcolm, President, National Electrical 
      Manufacturers Association..................................   149
    Olson, Erik D., Senior Attorney, Natural Resources Defense 
      Council....................................................   455
    Owens, David K., Executive Vice President, Business 
      Operations Group, Edison Electric Institute................   308
    Robinson, J. Mark, Director, Office of Energy Projects, 
      Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.......................   242
    Schori, Jan, General Manager and CEO, Sacramento Utility 
      District, on Behalf of Large Public Power Council..........   316

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    Segal, Scott M., Counsel, Oxygenated Fuels Association.......   465
    Slaughter, Bob, President, National Petrochemical & Refiners 
      Association................................................   435
    Szeptycki, Leon, Eastern Conservation Director and General 
      Counsel, Trout Unlimited...................................   263
    Tezak, Christine L., Electricity Analyst, Washington Research 
      Group, Schwab Capital Markets, LP..........................   402
    Twitty, John, General Manager, City Utilities of Springfield, 
      Missouri, on Behalf of American Public Power Association...   319
    Walter, Ron, Executive Vice President, Calpine Corporation, 
      on Behalf of Electric Power Supply Association.............   338
    Wood, Hon. Patrick, Chairman, Federal Energy Regulatory 
      Commission.................................................    38
Additional material submitted for the record:
    Dinneen, Bob, President and CEO, Renewable Fuels Association, 
      prepared statement of......................................   486
    Electricity Consumers Resource Council, supplemental comments   490
    Lyondell Chemical Company, prepared statement of.............   491
    McSlarrow, Hon. Kyle, Deputy Secretary, U.S. Department of 
      Energy, response for the record............................   181
    Rathbun, Dennis K., Office of Congressional Affairs, Nuclear 
      Regulatory Commission, letter dated April 8, 2003, 
      enclosing response for the record..........................   193
    Tezak, Christine L., Electricity Analyst, Washington Research 
      Group, Schwab Capital Markets, LP, supplemental testimony 
      of.........................................................   495
    Walter, Ron, Executive Vice President, Calpine Corporation, 
      on Behalf of Electric Power Supply Association, letter 
      dated March 25, 2003, enclosing response for the record....   493
    Wood, Hon. Patrick, Chairman, Federal Energy Regulatory 
      Commission, letter dated March 31, 2003, enclosing response 
      for the record.............................................   221

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                        WEDNESDAY, MARCH 5, 2003

                  House of Representatives,
                  Committee on Energy and Commerce,
                    Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in 
room 2123, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Joe Barton 
(chairman) presiding.
    Members present: Representatives Barton, Cox, Burr, 
Whitfield, Norwood, Shimkus, Wilson, Shadegg, Pickering, 
Fossella, Buyer, Radanovich, Bono, Walden, Issa, Otter, Tauzin 
(ex officio), Boucher, Wynn, Allen, Waxman, Markey, Hall, 
Pallone, Brown, McCarthy, Strickland, Capps, Doyle, John, and 
Dingell (ex officio).
    Staff present: Jason Bentley, majority counsel; Sean 
Cunningham, majority counsel; Dwight Cates, professional staff; 
Andy Black, policy coordinator; Prter Kielty, legislative 
clerk; and Sue Sheridan, minority counsel.
    Mr. Barton. The hearing will come to order. We appreciate 
everybody's attendance. We want to, before we start the opening 
statements, ask for unanimous consent to adopt and enforce a 
version of the new Committee Rule 4(e).
    Under Committee Rule 4(e), the subcommittee chairman and 
the ranking member have the right to, on the opening 
statements, allow the chairman and the ranking full committee 
member and the subcommittee chairman and the ranking 
subcommittee member each get 5 minutes.
    All other members get 3 minutes, unless they wish to defer 
their 3 minutes, in which case they get an extra 3 minutes on 
their question periods, the first question period.
    Congressman Boucher and I have, are going to recommend 
unanimous consent to adopt a version of that, in that the non-
ranking members can have perhaps a 1-minute opening statement 
and they get 2 extra minutes.
    Or a 2-minute opening statement and get one extra minute. 
So that you can have some opening statement, but the time you 
don't use in your opening statement you can have that added to 
your time for questions.
    Is there an objection to that unanimous consent request? 
Hearing none, so ordered. We want to begin today a series of 
hearings, which the series is going to be two. So I should say 
two hearings, on the energy policy of this country.
    I have here, you can't see them all. These are copies of 
the 34 hearings we've done on this while I have been 
subcommittee chairman of this subcommittee.
    So we have done extensive hearings on the general policy. 
We have a draft bill out. And today we are going to hear from a 
series of individuals representing various groups and also 
various agencies of the U.S. Government about this policy.
    We're going to hold another hearing next week on Thursday. 
I want to thank Chairman Tauzin for his leadership on this 
issue. He and I have work with Mr. Boucher and Mr. Dingell for 
the last, really you could say the last 4 years, to try to get 
such a policy in place.
    I also want to thank my good friend, Congressman Rick 
Boucher. He has worked tirelessly making sure that the views, 
not only of himself, but of his party and his region are fully 
aired during these hearings.
    And also full committee ranking member Congressman Dingell. 
If we look at what is happening in the markets, we see several 
things.
    Yesterday the spot price for oil in the New York market was 
$36 a barrel. Last week natural gas got as high as $12 in Mcf 
on the spot market.
    We also, and this is just here in the Virginia, Washington, 
DC region, saw prices of a $1.65 for regular unleaded self-
service gasoline. And I am told that up in New England last 
week a gallon of residential heating oil got as high as a $1.79 
a gallon.
    These are prices that show that our production in this 
country is lagging, so the price signal is going up. The signal 
that while we don't have shortages, some of these materials are 
getting scarcer and scarcer.
    I think this Congress this year needs to enact a 
comprehensive energy policy, focusing across the board on all 
our energy needs.
    Today, we're going to have before us, witnesses from the 
administration and key energy regulators to discuss what they 
think should be done.
    It has been said that Congress does not legislate until 
there is a crisis. I don't think we're in a crisis, but I do 
believe we need to act in this critical time for both the short 
term and the long term.
    Some other numbers that indicate why we should begin to 
act. Last month the Baker Hughes rig count for oil and gas rigs 
in the United States was 854. That is down from last year in 
spite of the price signals that I have just talked about.
    I have been told that somewhere in the neighborhood of 
50,000 megawatts of electricity generation has been canceled 
during the last year because of the crisis of confidence in the 
investor community in our utility industry.
    Now zero is the number of nuclear power plants that have 
been ordered in the last 10 years. I believe that nuclear power 
could take some of the pressure off of coal and natural gas for 
the generation of electricity.
    I could go on and on, but I think the message is clear. 
This subcommittee is going to soon consider legislating. I have 
circulated in the last week, with the support of the full 
committee chairman, Mr. Tauzin, a draft to start discussions.
    I want to emphasize to my subcommittee and this is a draft, 
it is not written in stone. I fully expect to make changes 
based on what members on both sides of the aisle suggest after 
they have reviewed the draft.
    I have also asked that the witnesses before us comment on 
elements of the draft. Some of these elements are very 
familiar. We have been over this ground many, many times. 
Others are new.
    We have tried to come up with some innovative ways to solve 
some of the controversial parts of past energy bills. I look 
forward to working with members of all the subcommittees, 
Republicans and Democrats.
    There are some elements in the draft that we have not had a 
markup on. The electricity title, the assumption that we did 
not mark up in my subcommittee last year.
    I think the electricity title needs to be bi-partisan and I 
hope that it will be. Both my door and Chairman Tauzin's door 
are open to all members on both sides of the subcommittee to 
try to see if we can improve this title of the bill.
    I am going to submit the rest of my statement for unanimous 
consent for the record. My good friend, Congressman Boucher, 
said that I should enforce the rule. So I have stopped my 
statement with 4 seconds over. And I would recognize my good 
friend, Mr. Boucher, for his opening statement.
    Mr. Boucher. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I 
also look forward to working with you, with Chairman Tauzin of 
the full committee, with our ranking Democratic member, Mr. 
Dingell, and all members of the subcommittee during the course 
of the 108th Congress as we seek to develop legislation that 
enjoys a broad consensus, that addresses our Nation's energy 
needs.
    The hearing that we are having today and the one that has 
been scheduled for next week, will provide a valuable 
opportunity for subcommittee members to hear from a range of 
witnesses on the various topics addressed in energy policy 
legislation.
    It also provides a useful forum to consider the provisions 
that Chairman Barton has now put before the subcommittee and 
the draft energy legislation that he circulated last week.
    The chairman's draft addresses a number of important energy 
policy topics from authorization of a new clean coal power 
initiative, to new energy efficiency standards for appliances, 
to hydroelectric facilities re-licensing reforms to 
encouragement of the construction of the long awaited natural 
gas pipeline from Alaska to renewal of the Price-Anderson Act.
    The draft legislation makes broad and valuable improvements 
to the Nation's energy laws and policies. Many of the 
provisions in the chairman's draft were agreed to by the 
conferees between the House and Senate last year.
    And I am glad to see these provisions re-emerge in the 
draft that the chairman has now put before the subcommittee. I 
would particularly draw the attention of members to the 
provisions which would foster a new generation of advanced 
clean coal technology.
    Coal is the Nation's most abundant fuel with reserves 
sufficient for the next 250 years. It generates electricity at 
less than one-half the cost of the fuel alternatives. It is 
clearly in the energy security interest of the Nation to use to 
a greater extent this abundant domestic resource.
    And I would note that consumers get the best prices when 
they purchase electricity generated through the combustion of 
coal. The inclusion of the clean coal power initiative 
acknowledges the value to the Nation of coal use and takes 
appropriate steps to assure the protection of air quality in 
those regions where coal is burned.
    I strongly commend these provisions. While not a part of 
the Energy and Commerce Committee's jurisdiction, I would also 
take a moment to call attention to the incentives for the use 
of clean coal technologies that were included in both the House 
and Senate versions of energy policy legislation last year.
    In the near future, I will be joining with our colleagues, 
Mr. Whitfield and Mr. Shimkus and others, in reintroducing our 
legislation to promote the use of coal in both new and 
retrofitted power plants that agree to use advanced clean coal 
technologies.
    We have all urged that this comprehensive coal advancement 
measure be included in any comprehensive legislation considered 
by the house.
    I will also offer a few comments this morning concerning 
the electricity title which is included in Chairman Barton's 
draft legislation.
    The House Energy and Commerce Committee has devoted 4 years 
to a so far elusive quest for consensus of electricity reform 
measures.
    We found no broad agreement on proposals to amend PUHCA or 
PURPA, to alter the merger review authority of the FERC, to 
establish incentive pricing for new transmission line 
construction, to vest the FERC with transmission line sighting 
authority, or to alter legislatively the rules pertaining to 
the management of an access to the transmission grid for 
wholesale market transactions.
    While I appreciate the chairman's inclusion of provisions 
relating to net metering, time of use pricing and transmission 
reliability, I still have a number of concerns related to the 
electricity provisions.
    These are complex matters. And notwithstanding several 
years of review, we have not been able to reach consensus on 
these contentious and difficult issues.
    We have, however, under the Chairmanship of Pat Wood, an 
increasingly active and shall I say imaginative FERC. The 
commission has taken positive steps in order to make the 
wholesale market more reliable and has provoked a spirited 
debate over its proposal for a standard market design for the 
Nation's transmission grid. I have a number of questions 
concerning that proposal which we may be able to address this 
morning.
    Dependency of the SMD rulemaking obviously complicates even 
further the process of seeking consensus on legislation 
relating to the electricity market. Perhaps before adopting 
fundamental electricity law changes, we should carefully 
consider--10 more seconds. We should----
    Mr. Barton. Enforce the rule, somebody said.
    Mr. Boucher. I know I did say enforce the rule and I am 
proud to be the first violator. My view is that we should 
carefully consider how electricity markets should be best 
served.
    Does the statutory law truly stand in need of change or the 
alternative. Can we look with confidence to the FERC to direct 
the future development of the wholesale market using existing 
statutory authority.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate your 
indulgence and I look forward to the testimony of these 
witnesses.
    Mr. Barton. Well, you just gave Markey and additional 42 
seconds. That is what that is going to amount to. And I would 
say that imaginative and creative is good to my FERC.
    There are other things that have been said about what you 
all have been doing, so that is a good start. I would now 
recognize the full committee chairman, the distinguished 
gentleman from Louisiana, Mr. Tauzin, for a 5-minute opening 
statement.
    Chairman Tauzin. Thank you, Mr. Barton. Let me first thank 
the subcommittee. This year, unlike 2 years ago, this 
subcommittee's task is make somewhat simpler.
    We now have the experience of the last 2 years when this 
subcommittee produced the basic frame of the energy bill that 
worked its way through the House and into a conference with the 
Senate.
    And, as I understand, the draft the chairman has circulated 
in built on that frame. On the knowledge we gained in the 
process of working H.R. 4 through the House and a similar bill 
or comparable bill through the Senate.
    It is somewhat more difficult because the chairman has 
engaged the issue of electricity in this title this year when 
it was not engaged in the House on the energy bill last year.
    And so this committee has some especially difficult 
decisions to make regarding that particular title of the bill. 
But I wanted to update you on the progress we made. We came 
within an eyelash of concluding the conference last year.
    We got caught in the last minute politics of the closing 
session and did not finish it. But I want you to know that the 
Senate conferees and the House conferees, all of you who worked 
in the process, deserve a lot of credit for bringing this to 
the point where we almost completed this work in the last 
session.
    And so a lot of the hard work has been done. And I 
particularly want to commend, again, Mr. Boucher who has been 
thanked, I know, by your chairman and Mr. Dingell for the 
extraordinary cooperative spirit in which we worked in the last 
Congress and encourage that same spirit this year.
    It is my intent, I know it is the chairman's intent to work 
with you to make sure that to the extent we can, this is as 
much a bi-partisan effort as we can possibly engage in.
    We will have differences. We will have different 
approaches. And members on either side of our committee who 
have some very different views about how best to draft an 
energy policy for our country and what to stress and what not 
to stress.
    And those differences will be aired in this and other 
hearings and in our final debates. But we're on a fast track. 
And no one should be upset about that. A lot of work went 
through last year.
    We came this close to finishing it. We'll buildupon that 
experience and move as quickly as we can to get an energy 
policy before the House so that Senator Pete Domenici, on the 
Senate side, can begin his process and meet us in a conference 
that he will chair, under our agreements, as quickly as we can 
accomplish that.
    That is in the nature, rather, that is an ingredient of 
America at this particular moment in our history. Now I will 
say early off in this process we will have some great debates 
and great differences of approach.
    Mr. Markey and Mr. Waxman I know will have different ideas 
and emphasis in the bill than perhaps I will or perhaps Mr. 
Barton and others on this committee will have. That is good. We 
ought to have those good debates.
    But we are all joined in this debate for a common purpose 
that is especially true today. I want to hold up a fact sheet 
that was prepared in the last Congress. Details of imports from 
Iraq in the first quarter of the year 2002.
    What this fact sheet indicates is that indirect sales of 
Iraqi oil to America then was requiring Americans to spend, 
indirectly, money which we sent to Saddam Hussein in Iraq to 
the tune of about $12.7 million per day on Iraqi oil.
    But things have changed since then. What has changed is 
that an awful situation has occurred in Venezuela. Imports of 
Iraqi oil have, indirectly again, grown dramatically. And the 
price has changed from $20, yesterday's spot crude price of 
Texas sweet was $36.88, from $20 then to $30 plus today.
    Which means that everyday we are sending to Saddam Hussein, 
every time we fill up our gas tank, every time we fill up a jet 
engine, every time, with jet fuel, every time we buy fuel oil, 
every time we buy any oil derivative product in this country, 
we are helping to send Saddam Hussein better than $20 million 
per day.
    Because of a necessary, unavoidable dependence upon that 
resource. Now whatever path we choose to end that dependence, 
whether it is for conservative or alternative fuels, more 
production in the United States, whatever path we choose, we 
had better make some decisions quickly.
    It is absolutely insane for us to depend today, as our 
troops, our young men and women are preparing perhaps to do 
battle in Iraq, to depend upon that country for such a large 
amount of our oil import.
    And to send Mr. Saddam Hussein $20 million a day to arm his 
troops to kill our young men and women. There is something 
insane about that. And I give back the balance of my time.
    Mr. Barton. Thank you, full committee chairman. We now want 
to recognize Mr. Waxman. Does he wish an opening statement, and 
if so, you have 1 minute, 2 minutes or 3 minutes?
    Mr. Waxman. I have what?
    Mr. Barton. You can have 1, 2 or 3, and whatever time you 
don't use now you get on your question period.
    Mr. Waxman. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Today, the 
committee----
    Chairman Tauzin. Mr. Chairman----
    Mr. Barton. Which do you want----
    Chairman Tauzin. Mr. Chairman, if I can correct the 
chairman. Our rule does not allow that. Our rule says you have 
to choose to either give an opening statement----
    Mr. Barton. We understand that, but we got unanimous----
    Chairman Tauzin. [continuing] and if you don't give it, you 
get 3 extra minutes on questions.
    Mr. Barton. But we, by unanimous consent, agreed to let him 
have part of it. Honest.
    Chairman Tauzin. I wish I had been around to object to it.
    Mr. Barton. You were around.
    Chairman Tauzin. I missed it.
    Mr. Barton. You just didn't object.
    Chairman Tauzin. I wasn't paying attention. I'm going to 
pay better attention.
    Mr. Barton. You need to tell us how much of the opening----
    Mr. Waxman. May I inquire of the chair, if I take 8 minutes 
and forego questions----
    Mr. Barton. No, no, no.
    Mr. Waxman. I think my opening statement will take 3 
minutes.
    Mr. Barton. Three minutes.
    Mr. Waxman. If I succeed in doing it in 1 minute, I'd like 
to reserve the two.
    Mr. Barton. All right, the gentleman is recognized for 3 
minutes.
    Mr. Waxman. Today the committee begins consideration of an 
energy bill for this 108th Congress. And based on legislation 
circulated on Friday, the committee starting point appears to 
be where we left off in the last Congress.
    The legislation that was circulated last Friday, not only 
fails to reflect the energy needs of the 21st Century, it fails 
to reflect even the most dramatic events in the energy sector 
that have occurred since the House finished consideration of an 
energy bill in August 2001.
    I would like briefly to mention some of these important 
issues. The collapse of Enron was one of the more dramatic 
illustrations of the dangers of inadequate government oversight 
of the energy industry.
    But the examples of abuses in the gas and the electricity 
sectors are rampant. Back in early 2001, many of us in 
California believed that energy markets were being manipulated 
to price gouge western families.
    It has now been revealed that our worst suspicions were 
true. Unfortunately, the committee has never held a hearing on 
these abuses.
    For example, El Paso was recently found to have withheld 
pipeline capacity in order to increase gas prices in 
California. Energy traders from Dynagy, El Paso Corporation, 
American Electric Power and Williams Company have all been 
involved with providing false information on gas trades which 
could have had major price impacts on consumers.
    Reliant Energy revealed their coordinated strategy to shut 
down power plants in order to drive up electricity prices. 
Cynically Reliant decided to wage a campaign to blame the Clean 
Air Act.
    We must address the corruption in this industry in order to 
protect consumers and shareholders. We must also look seriously 
at this industry's practices in order to protect the 
environment.
    No longer can the administration turn a blind eye to the 
serious threat of global warming. They are out of step with the 
rest of the world, the American people and even many in the 
industry.
    Although the Senate has done considerable bi-partisan work 
on climate change, this committee has never held a hearing on 
the Senate's extensive legislative work.
    And finally I would like to mention several issues that 
came up in the energy conference last year that have never been 
considered by this committee.
    The Senate proposed a provision placing a moratorium on EPA 
regulation of the practice of hydraulic fracturing. This 
committee certainly should examine this before legislation on 
this issue.
    The majority has also proposed, in the conference, 
protecting MTBE producers from liability for polluting ground 
water and drinking water.
    This issue is highly contentious. It has never been 
examined by the committee. Mr. Chairman, I hope the committee 
can work together in a collegial, bi-partisan fashion on the 
legislation.
    To that end I hope the committee can examine these critical 
energy issues through additional hearings and investigations.
    We have an obligation to responsibly address the energy 
problems facing the nation.
    Mr. Cox [presiding]. Thank you, gentleman. The gentlelady 
from New Mexico.
    Mrs. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will reserve my 
time for questions.
    Mr. Cox. The gentleman from Michigan, Mr. Dingell.
    Mr. Dingell. Mr. Chairman, I thank you. Last Congress 
Chairman Tauzin asked me to work on a bi-partisan issued bill. 
We did that. Members of both sides worked together to determine 
which topics should be addressed in the committee of energy and 
commerce's bill, and how.
    As a result, the bill was supported by a wide, bi-partisan 
margin. And with few exceptions, was left intact when merged 
with legislation from other committees to be taken up on the 
House floor as H.R. 4.
    Well, veritably we find ourselves in markedly different 
circumstances today. The bill circulated on Friday is not a bi-
partisan bill and the very tight committee schedule with only 
two errors will make it particularly difficult for new members 
of the committee to have an opportunity to fully participate in 
this bill's consideration, or indeed to understand it.
    Indeed, witnesses in today's hearings had little time to 
review the language circulated last Friday, that concerns 
significant areas of energy policy, conservation, and nuclear 
matters, and the controversial topics of electricity and 
hydropower.
    While I appreciate the chairman's cooperation with the 
minority in inviting witnesses, and I thank him for that, I am 
concerned that this scheduled is so compressed as to preclude 
meaningful testimony on the draft bill.
    I note that there seems to be a pattern moving in this 
direction, as we face a similar situation with regard to 
medical malpractice, and I suspect other bills coming before 
us.
    Unlike the bill we recorded in this last Congress. This 
bill would repeal the Public Utilities Holding Company Act, 
PUHCA, and major portions of the Public Utility Regulatory 
Policies Act of 1978, or PURPA.
    It also contains a controversial proposal to allow States 
to override Federal agency's rulings concerning potential 
sighting of new transmission lines on Federal lands.
    This is an extraordinary and altogether new proposal, not 
contained in either the Senate or House bill last year, and is 
likely to prove very troublesome since it can compromise the 
authority of several Federal agencies and disregard a number of 
settled pieces of environmental and other law and regulations.
    I am perplexed at the decision to further deregulate the 
Nation's electricity markets at a time when turmoil in the 
industry, if anything, shows that consumers need more 
protection from naked market forces.
    It seems to me if we must act now, that a better approach 
would be for us to reach agreement on a narrow range of reforms 
that address specific problems in wholesale markets and leave 
controversial restructuring issues, such as PUHCA repeal, PURPA 
repeal, and diminishing FERC's merger authority, to another 
day.
    The committee held its last electricity oversight hearing 
in December, 2001. Much has occurred since then.
    We have learned enough about market manipulation by Enron 
and other high flying marketers with no sense of responsibility 
for the interest of consumers or investors, to know that there 
are probably other shoes yet to drop.
    FERC's own internal investigation into the turmoil in west 
coast markets during the 2001 year is still underway. Criminal 
investigations into Enron and others' behavior is still 
pending.
    In light of what we have learned since our last hearing, 
what we are likely to learn when FERC releases its internal 
investigation, it seems to me to be irresponsible for this 
committee to act to further deregulate the electric utility 
industry.
    It may well be we will want different deregulation, no 
deregulation or a return to more regulation. It is far more 
important to learn what happened and to take time to formulate 
a thoughtful response, than to move legislation on some kind of 
a preordained schedule.
    Furthermore, as the Chair knows, I have a special interest 
in hydropower reform. I was disheartened to learn that the 
carefully crafted bi-partisan House compromise in favor of 
objectionable language developed by the Senate.
    This does not bode well for building support for the 
overall bill. Finally, I would be remiss in not mentioning one 
consumer concern that constantly arises among my constituents.
    That is the continuing volatility of gasoline prices. In 
many areas we have seen prices with more than $2 per gallon. 
While it is important to keep Congress' watchful eye on the big 
picture of energy, I think our constituents all would 
appreciate our attention to this which is a far less than 
theoretical problem. Thank you for your kindness, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Cox. Members are obviously aware that there is a vote 
on the floor. There is a vote on the journal. And after 
discussing this with Mr. Boucher, it is our proposal that we 
continue with opening statements and members can come and go 
during the open statements to ensure that they make the vote on 
the floor.
    And if there is no objection, I would go next to a 
gentleman from Oregon, Mr. Walden.
    Mr. Walden. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I have 
prepared statement I will submit for the record and reserve the 
balance of my time for question and answer.
    Mr. Cox. Next, I would like to welcome to the committee the 
gentleman from Maine, Mr. Allen.
    Mr. Allen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to take 2 
minutes and I will do my best to stay within that. I want to 
thank you for hold this hearing on comprehensive national 
energy policy.
    And I look forward to hearing from the panelists who are 
here today. Electric deregulation in Maine has been accompanied 
by rising electricity costs. The cold winter has reminded us 
how much it costs to heat 19th Century homes, and gasoline 
prices last week reached an all time high.
    National policies of the past have perpetuated an energy 
system dependent on fossil fuels, which has caused serious 
human health problems in our Nation's downwind States, of which 
Maine is one.
    In Maine we have the highest levels in the country of 
methyl mercury within, in our fish. Our adults endure the 
highest rate of asthma in the country, and ozone levels made 
Maine's air dangerous 17 days this past summer.
    I hope that as we go forward we can craft an energy bill 
that will encourage economic growth around this country, that 
will protect the health of our citizens, and will confront the 
looming global environmental challenges that we face.
    I am not convinced that the bill in front of us will do 
that, but I hope in the process of debate and discussion within 
this subcommittee we will make progress to a better product. 
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. Thank you, Mr. Allen. Mr. Whitfield.
    Mr. Whitfield. Mr. Chairman, there are so many important 
issues that I am going to defer to the length of my question 
period.
    Mr. Barton. Mr. Whitfield defers. Ms. McCarthy. Whoops, we 
have Ms. Capps. Was Ms. Capps before Ms. McCarthy?
    Ms. Capps. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this 
hearing. Shall I begin my opening statement?
    Mr. Barton. If you tell us how much you are going to use.
    Ms. Capps. The full amount.
    Mr. Barton. All right, 3 minutes. The gentlelady from 
California.
    Ms. Capps. We need a national energy strategy. We need to 
ensure that we have stable and predictable sources of energy.
    There are new technologies to let us use energy more 
efficiently. We need to identify and encourage the development 
of new sources of energy, but I worry that the bill before us 
would not foster these developments.
    It would leave consumers at the mercy of unregulated energy 
companies operating with little oversight. I want to highlight 
a couple of concerns I have about this bill.
    First, it contains many provisions to increase energy 
efficiency and promote conservation, but it leaves out probably 
the single most important step we can take, increasing the fuel 
efficiency of our cars and trucks.
    We all know about the National Academy of Sciences report 
that concludes a significant improvement in the miles per 
gallon performance of cars and trucks over the next 10 years is 
possible.
    One of our witnesses, Steve Nadel, will testify that 
attaining an average fuel economy of one, 41 miles per gallon 
is possible by 2012.
    Such an improvement would result in real fuel savings that 
would benefit consumers and our economy. Perhaps more 
importantly, in light of what Chairman Tauzin noted, it would 
reduce our dependence on foreign oil and increase our national 
security.
    For those who say these improvements are just not possible, 
consider the President's plan to build a hydrogen car. It has 
some rather bold assumptions.
    Reducing the cost of fuel sales by a factor of ten.
    Dramatically lowering the cost of hydrogen by 75 percent. 
Solving expensive infrastructure challenges. Surely if we can 
get a government program to achieve these goals, our private 
companies could meet the challenges of increasing fuel 
efficiency.
    It is likely that hydrogen cars wouldn't have any 
appreciable impact on the market for 20 or 30 years. Increasing 
the efficiency of our cars and trucks can begin very quickly.
    It is the right thing to do. Mr. Nadel notes that there may 
not be the political will to require the kind of increases in 
fuel economy, but perhaps, and I hope and pray that when we go 
to mark up, it will miraculously occur.
    Another major flaw in the legislation is the call for 
national electricity deregulation without any real assurance 
that a repeat of the price gouging that took place in 
California does not happen again.
    With all due respect to our witnesses here today, the FERC 
response has gone from being completely nonexistent a couple of 
years ago, to being inadequate today.
    Energy marketers ripped off Californians, my constituents, 
to the tune of billions of dollars. We said back then the power 
was being withheld from the market and inappropriately, if not 
illegally, driving wholesale prices, power prices through the 
roof.
    FERC did essentially nothing. This committee's reaction was 
halting and grudging. When FERC finally stepped in, the damage 
had been done to California and the western States.
    Over the last couple of years we have seen some documents 
from the energy companies involved in the California heist.
    Enron has outlined some of their schemes, complete with 
catchy names like ``Get Shorty'' and ``Death Star''. Recent 
documents from Reliant Energy catch the traders' illuminating 
discussion about how to jack up wholesale rates by removing 
power from the grid.
    If asked about it, the traders said they would just blame 
the lack of power on the Clean Air Act. I know that FERC still 
has some of these issues under investigation, but I have been 
deeply disappointed in the outcome so far.
    This bill does not address the shortcomings in FERC's 
authority, or its inability or refusal to be the tough cop on 
the beat.
    If national electricity deregulation is enacted, we could 
see the same kind of market gaming strategies that hurt 
California so badly.
    So I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today. And 
I yield back my time.
    Mr. Barton. I thank you. The gentleman from Indiana is 
recognized for 1 minute.
    Mr. Buyer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did not get the 
opportunity to sit through those 34 hearings last year. I am, 
but what I did was I held an energy forum in Indiana, Mr. 
Chairman, and invited producers and consumers.
    We had 4 hours. I want you to know that there was a degree 
of comfort out there between both, with regard to the product 
that you produced last year.
    The inquisitiveness would be on the electricity side, and I 
think there is a pretty good agreement coming out of Indiana 
that they concur with your product last year.
    That we need a broad based and diversified portfolio with 
regard to our energy sources, and that was the goal that you 
had in that bill.
    So complements from Indiana for the product that you had 
put together. I did not know what to expect from all theses 
individuals that came.
    And I look forward to these two hearings and let us have at 
it.
    Mr. Barton. Thank you, gentleman from Indiana. The 
gentlelady from Missouri.
    Ms. McCarthy. I will just need 1 minute, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. One minute.
    Ms. McCarthy. It is imperative, as we consider energy 
policy, that we address the environmental ramifications of 
proposals such as carbon emissions, which significantly 
contribute to global climate change.
    And that we establish greenhouse gas emissions reductions 
in our own country by providing for an industry-wide sale of 
carbon allowances by all entities that bring carbon into the 
stream of commerce.
    Our committee should forge policy that will provide for 
reductions and a reasonable compliance time and have a safety 
valve that will ensure no economic injury to our economy, and 
yet move this country toward reducing carbon emissions.
    Mr. Chairman, about two dozen U.S. companies including 
Ford, Dupont and International Paper, and a number of large 
electric utilities are already voluntarily doing this in the 
Chicago area.
    The Chicago Climate Exchange, if it succeeds, could be a 
model for us to use with the rest of the Nation. They are 
struggling in a voluntary program, and I believe what I heard 
in the reports in the news that they think we should move to 
broaden it and to make it something that all companies 
participate in, in our country.
    I yield back what little time I can and I thank you, Mr. 
Chairman, for this recognition.
    Mr. Barton. The gentlelady yields back the time. The 
gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Brown.
    Mr. Brown. Three minutes, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. He wants his full 3 minutes.
    Mr. Brown. I will take the full 3. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
We should do something on energy policy and legislation, but we 
should employ a process which helps us do more than just 
something, we should do the right thing.
    Mr. Chairman, I have significant concerns about the 
electricity title of the new energy bill. Instead of responding 
to Enron and market power abuses, by strengthening PUHCA, the 
bill would repeal it.
    I am concerned about the transmission siting provision 
which seems to make FERC look more like a Court of Appeals for 
energy companies dissatisfied with State decisions, than a true 
backstop.
    For States like Ohio, which have worked hard to modernize 
their siting laws, the potential for FERC review for every 
siting decision seems a step backward.
    Let me turn to my principal concern for today's hearing, 
price volatility in the retail gasoline market and NRC safety 
oversight.
    Many observers, including AAA, raised concerns about the 
role of oil industry business decisions in recent price 
increases. These concerns are well founded in light of findings 
by the FTC and a Senate committee concerning the oil industry's 
business decision and their effect on price volatility in the 
retail market.
    I would make two requests on these important, this 
important issue. First, Mr. McSlarrow, I would ask that you and 
Secretary Abraham schedule meetings this month with oil company 
representatives to do two things.
    Impress upon them the importance of ensuring adequate 
reserves of gas this spring and summer especially serving areas 
like the midwest and demonstrate its susceptibility to price 
spikes.
    Second, ensure that the spring refinery maintenance cycles 
are completed well in advance of the summer driving season. The 
Energy Department needs to act now to prevent price spikes and 
minimize those that are unavoidable.
    My second request, Mr. Chairman, is that you schedule 
investigative hearings on the issue of retail gas price 
volatility.
    The Senate held hearings last year and this year, but this 
subcommittee has remained silent. Turning briefly to NRC 
oversight, my district is 50 miles from the Davis-Besse Nuclear 
Power Plant.
    My colleagues know a football size crater was discovered in 
the reactor head last year at Davis-Besse. The most alarming 
part of this alarming story was the NRC Inspector General's 
report.
    The IG concluded that the regulators considered the 
financial consequences in making their decision not to order a 
shut down for inspection that would have revealed the reactor 
had erosion months earlier.
    Some observers have pointed the finger of blame at Davis-
Besse operators, others have blamed the senior NRC regulator 
who made the decision.
    The more compelling question for Congress is the 
protectiveness of a regulatory philosophy that defines as 
unnecessarily burdensome any action above and beyond the bare 
minimum necessary for reasonable assurance of safety.
    It has been years since the subcommittee has held an NRC 
oversight hearing. I ask, Mr. Chairman, you schedule oversight 
hearings in this subcommittee concerning the NRC's approach to 
safety and a security regulation.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to beginning the 
debate on the future of America's energy policy.
    Mr. Barton. We thank you, Mr. Brown. Seeing no other 
members who have not given an opening statement, the Chair is 
going to recess briefly while I go vote.
    When we come back, we will resume opening statements. The 
members right to reserve who had to go vote. I am going to take 
a point of personal privilege before I leave and recognize one 
of my good friends from West Junior High School and Waco High 
School, Mr. Tim Mitchell.
    He was an all-district guard at Waco High while I was kind 
of a has-been, also-ran. He's also been a precinct chairman in 
my congressional district. He is up here with his brother 
attending a conference.
    Tim, why don't you stand up and let everybody recognize 
you. We are going to recess very briefly. As soon as members 
get back, we will resume our opening statements.
    [Whereupon, at 10:44 a.m., the subcommittee recessed, to 
reconvene at 10:59 a.m., the same day.]
    Mr. Barton. The subcommittee will come to order. When we, 
the reason we recessed is we ran out of members to give 
statements. But I promised that we would let everybody give an 
opening statement.
    Congressman Brown of Ohio was the last member to give an 
opening statement, so we would recognize Mr. Norwood.
    Mr. Norwood. Mr. Chairman, I will reserve my time for 
questions.
    Mr. Barton. Mr. Norwood reserves his time. We go to Mr. 
Markey.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would 
like to take up 2 minutes.
    Mr. Barton. Two minutes. Mr. Markey is recognized for 2 
minutes.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, today is 
Ash Wednesday, which I really think is quite an appropriate day 
to hold a hearing on the Bush Administration's energy plan.
    Ash Wednesday is recognition of the day in which you, as 
Catholic, have to give something up as a sacrifice in our 
religion. Well, today the Republicans have announced that they 
have a plan which essentially gives up energy consumers for 
Lent, and declares every day to be Fat Tuesday.
    Mardi Gras for the energy producing companies across this 
Nation. If the Republican energy plan is enacted into law, the 
big oil companies, the natural gas companies, the coal 
industry, the nuclear industry, the utility industries will all 
be saying let the good times roll as long as they can chow down 
on the huge legislative king cake that is being delivered up to 
them by the Bush Administration and their allies in the 
Republican energy crew.
    And unlike more Mardi Gras king cakes, this bill has a 
little plastic baby prize in every single slice. They will be 
drilling in the arctic refuge and other pristine public lands 
for the oil and gas industries.
    Price-Anderson liability insurance subsidies for the 
nuclear industry. Clean coal subsidies for the coal industry. 
Hydroelectric licensing reform for the dam owners. Higher 
incentive transmission rates.
    Participant funding. PUHCA and PURPA repeal for the utility 
industry, and no meaningful improvement in automobile fuel 
efficiency for the car industry.
    The SUV industry can breathe a sigh of relief. Consumers, 
on the other hand, will be left nursing a legislative and 
regulatory hang over of higher electricity costs, dirtier air, 
disfoiled public lands and ugly--can I take the whole 3? It is 
just such good stuff.
    Mr. Barton. All right. Well, you have the Boucher 42 second 
override anyway.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you, I will just use up the whole three, 
if I could. Disfoiled public lands and ugly transmission wires, 
who's sighting they are preempted from blocking.
    Yes, consumers may have been thrown a few legislative beads 
as the Republican energy crew went by. A net metering program, 
an FTC privacy rulemaking there, with a few new appliance 
efficiency standards over there.
    They are nice, but they are mere baubles compared to the 
pinata of hefty benefits being afforded to the energy-producing 
companies.
    We need a balanced, comprehensive, national energy policy 
that is fair to both producers and consumers. This plan is not 
fair. Mr. Chairman, I look forward to today's hearing.
    Mr. Barton. We knew it was too good to be true. Congressman 
Boucher said, look, it is working, he is only going to take 2 
minutes.
    And I said, he hasn't finished yet. But it is a start. You 
wanted to only do two.
    Mr. Markey. No Irishman has ever given up talking for Lent, 
okay. There is no known instance of that.
    Mr. Barton. All right. The Chair recognizes the gentleman 
from California, Mr. Cox, I believe for 1 minute, is that 
correct.
    Mr. Cox. I think I can get this done in 1 minute.
    Mr. Barton. All right.
    Mr. Cox. Mr. Chairman, I want to begin by commending you 
for assembling this legislation which I hope will deal with our 
country's troubling energy situation. The policy we have had up 
until now, at least in California, is best described as lights 
out.
    And I think we need to do a lot of work to change that. I 
want to just point out to my colleague, Mr. Markey, how happy I 
am that the Price-Anderson reauthorization language in this 
bill includes the Cox-Markey Amendment.
    Beginning in the Clinton Administration, the State 
Department had been giving serious consideration to making U.S. 
taxpayers liable for nuclear actions in North Korean nuclear 
facilities.
    As was first uncovered by the Los Angeles Times, Clinton 
Administration lawyers were trying to contort the Price-
Anderson Act in recovering the costs from Kim Jong-il failed 
nuclear power plants, which was never intended by this 
legislation.
    The Cox-Markey Amendment which has been overwhelmingly 
adopted in this committee and on the floor on multiple 
occasions, makes it clear that U.S. taxpayers cannot be held 
liable for nuclear actions in North Korea or any other 
government, government of any other country that sponsors 
terrorism or engages in the proliferation of weapons of mass 
destruction.
    And I yield back the abundant balance of my time.
    Mr. Barton. All right. We now go to Mr. Wynn of Maryland.
    Mr. Wynn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I will defer at this 
time.
    Mr. Barton. Mr. Wynn defers. Mrs. Bono from California.
    Ms. Bono. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I will submit for the 
record.
    Mr. Barton. She defers. Mr. Pallone of New Jersey.
    Mr. Pallone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to ask to 
use my time, the 3 minutes.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman is recognized for 3 minutes.
    Mr. Pallone. Mr. Chairman, I believe that this country 
would benefit from a comprehensive energy plan, but last Friday 
we received a copy of the majority's energy bill and sadly we 
did not receive a comprehensive plan.
    While the bill is extensive, it contains harmful provisions 
that weaken existing consumer protections that could elicit 
potentially dangerous business practices, including going out 
of its way to repeal PUHCA, at the same time the FERC's merger 
authority is also repealed. The bill also threatens to trample 
on environmental laws by providing overriding authority to 
States and Federal land management agency decisions and FERC 
authority to override a State's decision for transmission 
sighting.
    It also includes no renewable portfolio standard and 
provides only modest provisions for energy efficiency and 
conservation efforts, and I am also concerned about the 
potential inclusion of a renewable fuel provision that would 
mandate the use of ethanol.
    This effort is premature in that there has been no 
independent analysis of the impact of the mandate on consumer's 
gasoline supplies or fuel prices and numerous questions 
regarding the environmental impact of ethanol use remain 
unanswered.
    During the next month, I hope the subcommittee will make a 
concerted effort to address some of these concerns. First, I 
believe it is critically important for us to reach an agreement 
on a renewal portfolio standard. I understand that during last 
year's energy conference, disagreement between the House and 
Senate conferees on the inclusion of an RPS was a significant 
factor in the failure of the energy bill.
    Furthermore, I understand there is a continued disagreement 
between the scope and definition of renewable energy sources as 
well as the percentages and timeframes that were proposed 
during discussions last year.
    I believe that an RPS must be included in any energy bill 
that leaves the subcommittee, especially given the fact that 
language in this bill provides relief for mandatory purchase 
obligations under PURPA without including strong enough 
language to promote further development of small, renewable 
energy facilities and distributed energy sources.
    Finally, I would like to note that I am encouraged by the 
FERC's activities with regard to standard market design. But I 
would add that while the PJM structure works well for my State 
and region, I understand that a complete replica of the system 
may not work for every area of the country.
    I believe that FERC's efforts to create standardized 
markets, while allowing for regional differences can help to 
provide the best certainty for customers. And we need to 
proceed cautiously on SMD, but we should not undermine the 
process with unnecessary and premature prescriptive measures 
while FERC's rulemaking is still being developed.
    There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed. I have 
not mentioned my concern about lack of strong nuclear security 
language, or the failure to include tax incentives for 
purchasers of hybrid vehicles.
    But I hope that through this hearing and subsequent 
hearings we can move ahead and address these concerns that are 
absent from this energy proposal and develop sensible 
legislation that will effectively address current problems of 
the energy industry today, as well as establish a long, forward 
thinking energy plan which I think is so crucial that we try to 
accomplish this year. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. And thank the gentleman from New Jersey. We 
recognize Mr. Radanovich from California.
    Mr. Radanovich. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to say one 
quick thing that I hope to hear some comment on the hydro 
relicensing section of this bill and I applaud you for your 
efforts on this bill.
    Mr. Barton. So you are going to defer? Okay, Mr. Strickland 
of Ohio.
    Mr. Strickland. I will save my time for questioning, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. All right. Mr. Shimkus of Illinois.
    Mr. Shimkus. Mr. Chairman, I will defer also, thank you.
    Mr. Barton. Mr. Hall of Texas.
    Mr. Hall. Mr. Chairman, I will be very brief. I just want 
to put an addendum on to what the gentleman of Massachusetts, 
his fine State, that I enjoyed so much, that I have heard so 
many times.
    And I do enjoy him. I want to remind him of the gentleman 
we had come before this committee who was the Railroad 
Commission chairman of Texas. The Railroad Commission governs 
oil and gas in Texas. His name was Jim Nugent.
    And he had made a speech over in Birmingham to the effect 
of let the Yankees freeze and starve in the dark. When asked 
about that here, and I think Mr. Markey had a copy of his 
speech in front of him, he denied making that speech.
    But he told me earlier he was going to deny it and for me 
to ask him exactly what he said. He denied saying let the 
Yankees freeze and starve in the dark.
    And when I asked him to tell Mr. Markey exactly what he 
said, he said let the thieving Yankees freeze and starve in the 
dark.
    But I don't consider them thieving Yankees. We have to have 
an energy policy and we need to work toward it. I yield back my 
time and congratulate Mr. Markey.
    Mr. Barton. I think you cleaned up what he really said. I 
don't think it was thieving Yankees.
    Mr. Markey. What Mr. Hall always forgets is that Red Sox 
fans are constantly saying let the thieving Yankees starve and 
freeze in the dark. We hate them as much as you do.
    Mr. Hall. Maybe he paraphrased.
    Mr. Barton. That's better than your opening statement, Mr. 
Markey. That was good. Mr. Burr of North Carolina.
    Mr. Burr. Though tempted to get into this debate, I will 
defer my opening statement.
    Mr. Barton. Mr. John of Louisiana.
    Mr. John. Unlike Mr. Burr, I can't resist. I thank you, Mr. 
Chairman, for convening this hearing. And I think you for the 
remarks from the gentleman from Massachusetts in sharing with 
us his vast knowledge of the customs of Mardi Gras.
    Although, I seem to have lost it in his frame when he 
talked about pinatas, and so I'm a little confused about 
pinatas and Mardi Gras. But you did well.
    But thanks a lot, I will just be very brief. But there are 
some important things about which I would like to speak. First 
is the fact that as we face a possible war with Iraq and the 
unsettling situation in Venezuela and around the Middle East, I 
think it has never been more appropriate for Congress to enact 
a comprehensive energy policy that will increase our domestic 
energy security.
    If there was an equivalent to the Department of Homeland 
Security's threat level indicator for energy security, it would 
surely be code orange, which is a high alert situation, and 
certainly duct tape and plastic sheeting would not fix this 
problem.
    The spikes in gasoline and natural gas reflect our need to 
increase domestic production and really modernize our national 
distribution system.
    Unfortunately, there is bi-partisan blame to go around for 
locking up the known quantities of oil and gas around the 
country. No more glaring to me than the administration's 
decision to deny developing natural gas, the abundance of it, 
in the large areas of the eastern Gulf of Mexico, and at the 
same time promote a bill in Congress that promotes drilling in 
Alaska.
    I just want to say if it is good for Alaska, why isn't it 
good for Florida, Mr. Chairman? And I look forward to hearing 
from the Deputy Secretary of Energy today to talk about our 
natural gas supply.
    Second, I would like to comment briefly on the recent 
actions by the FERC on SMD, the Standard Market Design, that 
has my Public Service Commission in Louisiana and certainly the 
Governor in Louisiana, to name only a few, concerned about the 
increased costs that may lie with Louisiana consumers and 
residents.
    Unlike my good friends and colleagues from Texas, who will 
think this debate may be only academic, for those of us who 
face the real prospect of increased rates in our States to 
benefit customers in higher cost States, the current SMD 
proposal, in my eyes, is a non-starter.
    I look forward to hearing from Chairman Wood on how he 
intends to address the concerns raised by the southern and 
western States, and what positive impacts and results to low 
cost States, like Louisiana, you can guarantee in the SMD rule.
    So, Mr. Chairman, thank you for calling this hearing. I 
look forward to continue my focus and debate on a national 
energy policy as I did in the last Congress, because I think 
today, more than last year, that it is important that we have a 
comprehensive policy for the energy security of our country. 
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. Thank you, gentleman from Louisiana. I 
recognize the gentleman from Pennsylvania, Mr. Doyle.
    Mr. Doyle. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I will take the 
whole enchilada.
    Mr. Barton. You got it.
    Mr. Doyle. Mr. Chairman, I thank you for the time in 
convening this hearing today. I anticipate an interesting and 
useful discussion on a number of issues involving our national 
energy policy and our efforts to improve and strengthen that 
policy.
    Let there be no mistake that this is one member who thinks 
it is vitally important that we have a national energy policy.
    Improving our energy infrastructure and national policy has 
been a focus of mine since I came to Congress. Two years ago 
when I first joined this committee, and one of the reasons I 
sought that assignment, was that I wanted to continue this 
focus and expand my ability to influence the direction that we 
take.
    I share the frustration that some of us have that for the 
work we did on this issue during the last Congress that did not 
result in the final conference report to become law.
    But of course these are difficult issues and not everything 
happens the first time, so we begin again this year on this 
effort.
    From my perspective, I'll continue to hold true to many of 
the same principles that I brought to this debate in the last 
Congress.
    I continue to believe that it is integral that a national 
energy policy be comprehensive and inclusive. I believe that 
the best way to solidify our long term energy health, that that 
is the best way to solidify our long term energy health.
    I want to see our national portfolio involve and support 
traditional fossil fuels, such as coal, oil gas, as well as 
hydro power and nuclear.
    But it must be in conjunction with a sincere commitment to 
renewable energy sources, such as fuel cells, solar, wind power 
and combined heat and power systems, as well as developing new 
technologies, like the research that is ongoing to extract gas 
from methane hydrates.
    It is only by encouraging a diverse portfolio like this, 
that we can guarantee our future energy independence and ensure 
that we have access to energy that we will need in the years to 
come.
    Now I know it is not an easy task to marry all of these 
forces and competing interests, as you can well imagine, there 
is a lot to cover.
    I hope we can use this hearing to begin to glean a little 
more understanding of the heavy lifting ahead. But there is one 
item that does concern me.
    Considering the variety of issues we need to examine, I am 
concerned that, as I understand it, we only have one additional 
hearing scheduled on these subjects, before I assume we will 
move to a mark up.
    I would add my voice to those suggesting that at least one 
additional hearing would be helpful. From my perspective, 
representing my district in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I can 
attest to the fact that there is great potential in, when we 
talk about an electricity title this session, that there is 
great interest in Pennsylvania, as we have made significant 
strides since we passed our electricity restructuring law 
several years ago.
    According to some recent independent studies, conducted by 
the Pennsylvania public interest organization, consumers in 
Pennsylvania have seen more than $2.82 billion in savings and 
rate cuts of up to 39 percent since Pennsylvania law took 
effect in January 1997.
    It is my understanding that some of the areas I represent 
in Pittsburgh, have seen some of the biggest savings. So, Mr. 
Chairman, I look forward to engaging this debate.
    Being able to include a discussion of the proposed 
electricity title as part of that mix. I am sure we are going 
to have some disagreements along the way, but I am hopeful in 
the end we will be able to achieve some positive results that 
will benefit the country and my constituents in Pittsburgh. 
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Barton. We thank the gentleman from Pittsburgh. All 
members not present who have not made an opening statement will 
have the opportunity to put their opening statement in the 
record.
    [Additional statements submitted for the record follow:]

Prepared Statement of Hon. Vito Fossella, a Representative in Congress 
                       from the State of New York

    Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this hearing today. Few topics 
are as important as defining and passing into law a comprehensive 
national energy policy. The lack of such a policy to date has caused 
uncertainty in energy markets and highlighted America's severe reliance 
on foreign energy sources. A Venezuelan oil strike, a chilling winter, 
and the potential for war with Iraq among other things have sent oil 
and gas prices soaring to near record highs. These concerns hit home 
for me recently, when an explosion at a storage facility in my hometown 
of Staten Island, New York, sent crude futures skyrocketing. The 
current price of oil puts many Americans in a tough spot when making 
decisions about paying for everything from gas and heating oil to their 
groceries. Given such circumstances, we must take fast, bold steps to 
shed our unnatural dependence on foreign oil.
    Oil prices aren't the only cause for concern in America. The recent 
crisis in California generated great uncertainty in our nation's 
electricity markets and brought to the forefront serious deficiencies 
in America's system of electricity transmission, generation and 
distribution. With energy consumption projected to grow significantly 
by 2025, we must ensure Americans have faith in transparent energy 
markets and receive access to reliable electricity. The Federal Energy 
Regulatory Commission is here today to discuss, among other things, 
it's Standard Market Design. FERC hopes its proposal will, ``provide 
certainty to all market participants, encourage new infrastructure 
investment, promote fair competition and prevent a repeat of the 
mistakes made previously in California.'' I'm am extremely interested 
in learning more about the Commission's plan and how it responds to 
American's concerns.
    While oil independence and strong electricity markets are critical 
goals, they are just two factors among many that need to be addressed 
in sculpting a national energy policy. As we forge ahead with this 
initiative, it is imperative we examine a diverse range of options to 
ensure our country receives reliable energy in a clean environment. 
Enhancing energy efficiency and conservation, the production of 
renewable sources, and modernizing our energy infrastructure are all 
crucial aspects of securing our country's power needs. It is also 
important to look into the future; to plans such as the President's 
proposal to expand the role of clean burning fuel cells in our 
country's energy portfolio. Achieving these goals is essential to 
addressing America's energy needs and allowing our great economy to 
expand and flourish in the 21st century.

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   Prepared Statement of Hon. George Radanovich, a Representative in 
                 Congress from the State of California

    Thank you, Mr. Chairman for holding this hearing, and I applaud 
your efforts to enact energy legislation that will spawn economic 
development around our country.
    The energy issues that continue to impact California and the 
Pacific Northwest have only underscored the importance of the hydro 
electric relicensing legislation included in the energy bill draft, 
which mirrors the Radanovich/Towns Hydroelectric Licensing Improvement 
Act of 2003. This legislation will help repair our broken licensing 
process and will strengthen hydropower's ability to improve quality for 
future generations.
    The emergency surrounding hydroelectric relicensing has not changed 
with the passage of time. In fact, every day that passes, we dig 
ourselves into a deeper hole. As we look at the next 15 years, enough 
non-federal hydroelectric capacity to serve approximately 30 million 
homes must undergo the FERC relicensing process. The relicensing 
process must be modified before our nation's hydropower resources lose 
the ability to provide clean, emissions-free energy to America's energy 
consumers.
    In order for California to have a vibrant energy market, we have to 
address the issue of supply in California. Industry analysts now 
predict the financial situation facing the industry could result in 
electricity shortages beginning in 2004, potentially hampering economic 
recovery. In addition to these problems, insufficient licensing reform 
threatens available hydropower supplies this year. Dependable and 
affordable hydroelectric energy requires a licensing process that is 
efficient and fair in order to accomplish these goals.
    I congratulate FERC on their leadership in developing a policy that 
will resolve many important problems with the licensing process. 
However, legislation is still needed to address the fundamental 
problems that have plagued the licensing process for so long. The fact 
that federal resource agencies mandate restrictive conditions on the 
operations of hydropower projects without either comprehensive analysis 
of their impacts or an independent review of the conditions is 
unacceptable. The FERC rulemaking is not meant to, nor can it, address 
this problem with the licensing process. I believe that greater 
interaction between the resource agencies and the licensees in the 
development of environmental measures, which this legislation would 
encourage, will improve the process.
    In the end, I hope we can work together to forge bipartisan 
legislation that will build on our Committee's progress in the 107th 
Congress and result in continued improvements in the nation's energy 
markets in a time of war.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this hearing today. I look 
forward to the witnesses' testimony.

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Prepared Statement of Hon. Mary Bono, a Representative in Congress from 
                        the State of California

    Mr. Chairman: Thank you for holding this important hearing.
    Prior to commenting on the bill as it relates to the witnesses here 
today, I would like to urge FERC to continue looking into refunds as 
they relate to the California energy crisis. I've always believed that 
it should be up to FERC to uncover the extent of abuse and then 
recommend corrective action. There are several ongoing cases before the 
commission, so I urge you to continue to evaluate them in a thorough 
and timely manner. The actions you take on this matter could very well 
serve to either prevent or encourage future abuses of the system.
    One aspect of the proposed energy bill I support is the 
reauthorization of the Renewable Energy Production Incentive. While I 
continue to work on refining the exact language of this section of the 
bill, I am quite pleased it was included and urge the Department of 
Energy to advocate for full funding of REPI once it is reauthorized. 
Obviously, in these challenging economic times, we have to make 
difficult funding choices. However, providing such an incentive 
benefits both the production and development of alternative fuels which 
is something our country needs to invest in.
    Finally, I would also like to commend the Chairman for including 
the President's Freedom Car provision in the bill. I've had the honor 
and privilege of working on hydrogen fuel cell technology with the 
Sunline Transit Agency, a true leader in this field. I look forward to 
hearing from Deputy Secretary McSlarrow on how we can also use this 
program to assist the development of hydrogen fuel cell technology with 
regards to public transportation. This bill could provide a valuable 
platform to encourage the development of this promising technology in 
both the public and private sectors.
    Thank you Mr. Chairman. I look forward to hearing from the 
witnesses.

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 Prepared Statement of Hon. Greg Walden, a Representative in Congress 
                        from the State of Oregon

    Mr. Chairman, I'm from a hydro rich area of the United States where 
70% of our energy comes from our abundant hydro resources. It is the 
most inexpensive energy there is, and it is renewable. However, we in 
the Northwest region are having a drought, and that coupled with the 
current energy markets in the West is having a devastating effect on 
Oregon's economy and the rest of the Northwest. The situation is 
becoming so severe that large industrial customers that were once 
considered the driving force behind the Northwest economy and provided 
good high-paying jobs are beginning to look elsewhere to see if they 
can't produce their products more efficiently.
    In a year like this when hydrologists are predicting that we will 
have only 73% of our normal water levels, and because 70% of our 
electricity comes from hydro (as compared to 7% nationwide), the 
remaining 30% from coal, nuclear and natural gas fired generation, this 
puts us in a tricky predicament for the upcoming summer.
    I am happy to say that we are looking at a number of new projects 
in Oregon that will be gas fired. Most of these plants are being sited 
in my district because a large natural gas pipeline goes right down the 
center. They are an important part of meeting our region's growing 
generation needs. The Northwest is no longer a region with cheap 
surplus power in abundance like it was just after Bonneville, Grand 
Coulee and the other dams along the Columbia were completed. It is a 
region that must continue to develop alternative sources of generation 
instead of relying on the traditional supply of hydropower to meet its 
ever-increasing energy needs.
    Coming from a district that possesses the windsurfing capital of 
the World, I don't think I need to tell you what potential we have for 
the further development of wind generation. Just last year I toured a 
wind farm in one of my counties, which has generated enough revenue to 
double the property tax base of this county. Let me put it in 
perspective in explaining the economic development potential for my 
district, 15 of the 20 counties have unemployment rates above the state 
average of 7.0% and the state average rate is more than a point above 
the national rate. The continued development of this renewable energy 
source could really turn around some of the failing local economies in 
my district.
    If the administration could continue to support incentives to 
increase the development and production of these alternatives, whether 
it is geothermal, solar or wind, it would help the region plan for its 
future load growth, and like I just said significantly benefit many of 
the communities in my district.
    And finally, Mr. Chairman, I must get my two cents in regarding the 
future of RTO's and the much talked about and equally maligned Standard 
Market Design (SMD). I think it's gross understatement to say that many 
people in my district and in the Northwest are ``concerned'' with the 
prospect of an SMD regime being uniformly applied to the Northwest. 
And, I know my colleagues from other regions of the country are equally 
concerned about the ramifications of its implementation. This proposed 
rulemaking makes no sense whatsoever, particularly when you take into 
consideration the progress that was being made last summer concerning 
BPA becoming integral part, albeit with a list of concerns still to be 
addressed, of an RTO West. In light of SMD, and its potential to 
supercede all the progress that was made during last year's RTO 
discussions, I see no reason why BPA would want to become part of RTO 
West. As BPA owns approximately 70%-80% of the transmission lines in 
the region, I think all of you would agree it would be difficult to 
have an RTO West without its participation.
    I appreciate your being here today, and I look forward to you 
addressing these issues of importance for the Northwest.
    With that Mr. Chairman, I'm anxious to hear what the panels have to 
say and yield back the remainder of my time.

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 Prepared Statement of Hon. Mike Rogers, a Representative in Congress 
                       from the State of Michigan

    Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this important hearing as we 
begin to move forward on how best to provide for our nation's energy 
needs.
    One issue of concern to me is the Department of Energy's Office of 
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy is seeking to change the 
prescriptive criteria for the Energy Star Windows program, and the 
Department has offered two proposals for public comment. I am concerned 
with any proposal that lessens the choices currently available to 
consumers, damages the marketplace for existing manufacturers, and 
ultimately results in lost jobs for workers in the industry. I look 
forward to learning from the Department of Energy the criteria that 
will be used as the Department makes its selection between the two 
proposals.
    Finally, coming from a state that for nearly one hundred years has 
been the world's leader of automotive technology, Michigan is poised to 
develop the next generation of automobiles. Clearly, hydrogen fuel 
cells will be at the forefront of the vehicles of tomorrow. I am 
excited to see the strong commitment of Chairman Barton on this 
critical issue to Michigan and our nation's economy and environment. I 
look forward to learning how the Department envisions the FreedomCAR 
proposal being integrated with current technologies being developed by 
domestic automakers and then with the men and women working on the line 
tasked with making the best cars in the world.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you again for your continued leadership on 
these key issues. I look forward to working with you as we proceed.

    Mr. Barton. The Chair would now recognize and welcome our 
first panel. We have a very distinguished panel. We have the 
Deputy Secretary of Energy, the Honorable Kyle McSlarrow.
    We have the Chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 
the Honorable Richard Meserve. We have three of our 
Commissioners from the FERC, including the distinguished 
Chairman from Texas, Mr. Pat Wood.
    We are going to start with our Deputy Secretary from Energy 
and then we will just go with Chairman Meserve and then 
Chairman Wood, and Ms. Brownell and Commissioner Massey.
    The Chair would recognize Deputy Secretary McSlarrow. Do 
you have any idea about how long your statement should take? 
Under 5 minutes, okay, then we will recognize you for 6 
minutes, and let us see if we can do it in under 6 minutes.
    You need to really turn the microphone on and speak into 
it.

   STATEMENTS OF HON. KYLE McSLARROW, DEPUTY SECRETARY, U.S. 
 DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY; HON. RICHARD A. MESERVE, CHAIRMAN, U.S. 
  NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION; HON. PATRICK WOOD, CHAIRMAN, 
    FEDERAL REGULATORY COMMISSION; HON. WILLIAM L. MASSEY, 
 COMMISSIONER, FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION; AND HON. 
  NORA MEAD BROWNELL, COMMISSIONER, FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY 
                           COMMISSION

    Mr. McSlarrow. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be brief. I 
am pleased to present the administration's views on the need 
for comprehensive energy legislation.
    First, I would like to compliment you, Mr. Chairman, and 
the entire committee on your leadership in tackling these 
important issues, once again.
    What was true in the beginning of 2001, is still true. We 
had a series of long term energy challenges that require action 
now. These challenges are present along the entire energy 
continuum and affect the environment and economy, the 
generation and transmission of electricity and commodities 
ranging from crude oil and its associated products to natural 
gas.
    The issues that relate to electricity pose their own set of 
challenges and possible policy responses, which I will address 
later. But the other challenges can be summarized by one 
phrase, energy security.
    To be more specific, the United States is increasingly 
dependent on foreign oil and may not be far from the point in 
which we can no longer assume a domestic or even a North 
American supply of natural gas that fully meets our demand.
    These trends are a concern, Mr. Chairman. Quite simply, we 
are at the mercy of events and decisions over which we have 
often limited, sometimes no control. When winters and summers 
are mild, when no refineries or pipelines break down, when 
supply from abroad is abundant and reliable, we do not feel 
this dependency.
    But when almost anything goes wrong, the markets react 
instantly and we confront the higher prices and volatility that 
have become by now an almost reliable, cyclical phenomenon.
    Almost 2 years ago President Bush presented his solution to 
the national energy policy to the American people. I would like 
to take 1 minute to highlight one of his initiatives, and that 
is the hydrogen initiative.
    Hydrogen can be produced from diverse domestic sources, 
freeing us from reliance on foreign imports for the energy we 
use at home.
    Hydrogen emits no greenhouse gas emissions. When hydrogen 
is used to power fuel cell vehicles, it will do so with more 
than twice the efficiency of today's engines.
    If we are successful with the President's hydrogen 
initiative, by 2040, we can reduce oil use in light duty 
vehicles by over 11 million barrels per day. The amount of oil 
that approximates that which American imports today.
    Mr. Chairman, I would like to briefly comment on the draft 
legislation, because we have only had the last few days to 
review the draft, we are not in a position, obviously, to 
provide an administration position on every provision and we 
look forward to working with you and the members of this 
committee on it.
    First, the administration strongly supports completing the 
transition to effective competition in wholesale power markets, 
and believes that much of the electricity title in the draft 
legislation is a strong step in the right direction.
    Well functioning markets will, we believe, lead to lower 
costs for consumers and businesses. But there is more than 
simply the benefit of lower prices.
    A well functioning market brings its own rewards. As 
confidence is gained that the system is reliable and capable of 
coping with high demand for electricity, much needed investment 
is likely to be attracted.
    Investment in new technologies and an improved generation 
in transmission facilities, to produce additional energy and 
environmental benefits.
    When the opposite is true, when uncertainty reigns, when 
reliability is questioned, when prices seem detached from 
market forces, investment vanishes.
    Because the administration supports efforts to ensure open 
access for all generators to grid, we support the open access 
language in section 7021.
    We also support establishing mandatory enforceable 
reliability rules, as found in section 7031. The administration 
agrees that the Public Utility Holding Company Act should be 
repealed and we support reform of PURPA in an innovative and 
competition-friendly manner as contemplated in Subtitle E.
    We also believe that facilitating an effective national 
electric transmission grid for the benefit of consumers, last 
resort Federal sighting authority for high priority 
transmission lines is needed.
    The administration has strongly supported efforts to 
increase energy efficiency and I am pleased to note the 
chairman's inclusion in this draft of agreements reached toward 
this end by the energy conferees in the last Congress.
    The administration strongly supports a renewable fuel 
standard that will increase the use of clean, domestically 
produced renewal fuels, especially ethanol, which will improve 
the Nation's energy security, farm economy and environment.
    However, the administration firmly believes, and I know 
this is a jurisdictional point, but a balanced comprehensive 
energy plan with increased domestic production in order to 
reduce our rising dependence on imported oil and gas.
    And the key to achieving this balance is the President's 
proposal to open a small portion of ANWR to environmentally 
responsible oil and gas exploration and development.
    The administration strongly supports the construction of a 
commercially viable Alaskan natural gas pipeline as a critical 
part of our energy security portfolio.
    And finally, the administration strongly believes that 
comprehensive energy legislation should include long term 
reauthorization of the Price-Anderson Act. And therefore we 
applaud the draft bill's extension of Price-Anderson to 2017.
    And at this point, I will close my statement, Mr. Chairman, 
thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Hon. Kyle McSlarrow follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Hon. Kyle McSlarrow, Deputy Secretary of Energy

    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to be able to present the 
Administration's views on the need for comprehensive and balanced 
energy legislation, and where appropriate, our views on specific 
proposals before this committee.

                            I. INTRODUCTION

    First, I would like to compliment you, Mr. Chairman, and the entire 
committee on your leadership in tackling these important issues once 
again.
    To almost no one's surprise, the turbulent times on the energy 
front continue. From our first week in office, we knew that the United 
States faced an energy crisis long in the making. In addition to the 
California electricity crisis, you will recall that consumers faced 
unparalleled rises in natural gas and gasoline prices, and OPEC was in 
the midst of a series of production cuts that aimed at higher prices 
for crude oil.
    That is why President Bush so quickly directed the completion of a 
comprehensive and balanced national energy policy.

                      II. THE LONG-TERM CHALLENGE

    What was true in the beginning of 2001 is still true: we have a 
series of long-term energy challenges that require action now. These 
challenges are present along the entire energy continuum, and affect 
the environment and economy, the generation and transmission of 
electricity, and commodities ranging from crude oil and its associated 
products to natural gas.
    The issues that relate to electricity pose their own set of 
challenges and possible policy responses, which I will address later. 
But the other challenges can be summarized by one phrase: energy 
security. To be more specific, the United States is increasingly 
dependent on foreign oil and may not be far from the point at which we 
no longer can assume a domestic-or even a North American-supply of 
natural gas that fully meets demand.
    Thus, before I address some of the policy issues before this 
committee and Congress, it is worth analyzing the premise of growing 
dependence on foreign energy. I will use the analysis presented by the 
Department of Energy's independent analytical arm, the Energy 
Information Administration, in its Annual Energy Outlook 2003 (AEO 
2003), and will confine this brief review to petroleum specifically and 
total energy supply and demand.

A. Petroleum Trends
    The historical record shows substantial variability in world oil 
prices, and there is similar uncertainty about future prices. Three 
AEO2003 cases with different price paths allow an assessment of 
alternative views on the course of future oil prices. The three price 
cases are based on alternative assumptions about OPEC oil production 
levels, primarily from the Persian Gulf: lower output in the high price 
case and higher output in the low price case. However, with its vast 
store of readily accessible oil reserves, OPEC is expected to be the 
principal source of marginal supply to meet demand increases in all 
scenarios.
    By 2025, OPEC production is projected to be 61 million barrels per 
day (more than twice its 2001 level) for the ``Reference'' case. Based 
on growth in world oil demand of about 2.0 percent annually, projected 
prices in real 2001 dollars reach about $27 per barrel in 2025. In 
nominal dollars, the reference case price is expected to exceed $48 per 
barrel in 2025.
    In the high world oil price case, OPEC production is assumed to 
only increase to 46 million barrels per day by 2025 (about 25 percent 
less than the reference case) and prices rise by about 3 percent per 
year from 2001 to 2015. Prices remain at about $33 per barrel (in real 
2001 dollars) after 2015 as market penetration of alternative energy 
supplies become economically viable at the higher price and cap oil 
prices.
    In the ``low world oil price'' case, with assumed greater expansion 
of OPEC production to 71 million barrels per day by 2025 (about 15 
percent greater than the reference case), prices are projected to 
decline from their high in 2003, reaching $19 a barrel by 2010 (in real 
2001 dollars), and remain at that level to 2025.
    U.S. petroleum consumption varies, not only with oil prices, but 
the level of economic growth. While projected U.S. petroleum 
consumption varies with the projected price of crude oil, from 28.2 
million barrels per day in the high world oil price case to 30.2 
million barrels per day in the low world oil price case in 2025, the 
largest variation is with different assumptions about the rate of 
economic growth. Total petroleum consumption in 2025 ranges from 26.9 
million to 31.8 million barrels per day in the low and high economic 
growth cases, respectively.
    In the reference case, gross domestic product is expected to 
increase by 3.0 percent per year between 2001 and 2025. In the high 
economic growth case, GDP grows at a faster 3.5 percent per year and in 
the low economic growth case at a slower 2.5 percent per year. However, 
while petroleum consumption varies with each scenario, it increases in 
all cases from today's level.
    In 2001, net imports of petroleum accounted for 55 percent of 
domestic petroleum consumption. Dependence on petroleum imports is 
projected to grow in the reference case, reaching 68 percent in 2025. 
The corresponding import shares of total consumption in 2025 are 
expected to be 65 percent in the high world oil price case and 70 
percent in the low world oil price case.
    The growth in the share of petroleum accounted for by imports has 
received little notice in recent years. Expenditures on petroleum as a 
share of GDP have fallen from a peak of 9 percent in 1980 to only 3 
percent today. The OPEC share of U.S. petroleum imports has fallen from 
a peak of 70 percent in 1977 to 47 percent in 2001. More importantly, 
the share of U.S. petroleum imports originating from the Persian Gulf 
is about 23 percent today versus a peak of 28 percent in the late 
1970s.
    However, as the marginal source of supply, OPEC and, ultimately, 
the Persian Gulf are expected to be become increasingly important for 
future supplies to the United States and the world. By 2025, 53 percent 
of U.S. petroleum supply is expected to come from OPEC, including 26 
percent from the Persian Gulf.
    Although crude oil is expected to continue as the major component 
of petroleum imports, refined products are projected to represent a 
growing share. Growth in domestic U.S. refinery capacity is expected to 
remain constrained by regulations and economics. While total capacity 
is projected to grow by 3 million barrels per day between 2001 and 
2025, all of the growth is at existing refineries. No new grassroots 
facilities are expected to be built over the forecast period.
    Growth in total U.S. petroleum demand in the reference case, from 
20 million barrels per day in 2001 to over 29 million barrels per day 
by 2025, is projected to outstrip U.S. refinery capacity. As a result, 
refined petroleum products are projected to account for a growing 
portion of total net petroleum imports, reaching 34 percent of total 
net imports by 2025 (6.7 million barrels per day) in the reference 
case, up from a 15 percent share of total imports in 2001 (1.6 million 
barrels per day).
    This means that the U.S. will increasingly rely on foreign refinery 
investors to provide not just the volume of petroleum product needed by 
U.S. markets but products that meet the required characteristics (e.g., 
sulfur content, octane levels, etc.) of the U.S. supply slate. This 
decreases the flexibility and direct control that U.S. policymakers 
have in dealing with petroleum supply issues.

B. Total Energy Trends
    Another way to analyze our energy picture is to look at our total 
energy consumption and balance it against our total energy production.
    Total U.S. primary energy consumption is projected to increase from 
97 quadrillion Btu in 2001 to 139 quadrillion Btu by 2025 in the 
reference case, 1.5 percent per year. It is important to note that the 
reference case already assumes continued improvement in energy-
consuming and producing technologies, consistent with historic trends. 
Without these improvements, total primary energy consumption would 
otherwise grow to about 200 quadrillion Btu by 2025.
    The difference between reference case consumption and domestic 
energy production is the level of net imports (all energy types) 
required to meet projected U.S. energy consumption levels. Because of 
slow growth in domestic energy production, total net imports are 
projected to grow from about 26 quadrillion Btu in 2001 to almost 50 
quadrillion Btu in 2025.
    As I mentioned earlier, this already assumes that future gains in 
energy efficiency take place at the same impressive rate as in recent 
years. Nonetheless, the EIA also analyzed what it termed a ``high 
technology'' case, with an even more aggressive decline in energy 
intensity.
    With more rapid decline in energy intensity, total energy 
consumption could be reduced to levels below that shown in the 
reference case. In the high technology case, it is assumed that 
increased spending on research and development will result in earlier 
introduction, lower costs, and higher efficiencies for end-use and 
electric generation technologies than assumed in the reference case. 
Due to a faster decline in energy intensity in the high technology 
case, total primary energy consumption is projected to be 6 percent 
lower in the high technology case by 2025, at 130 quadrillion Btu.
    With lower levels of total consumption, net imports are also 
reduced. However, the reduction in imports is partially offset by lower 
levels of domestic energy production resulting from a decline in the 
energy prices that producers see with lower consumption levels. Net 
energy imports decline to 45 quadrillion Btu by 2025 in the high 
technology case from nearly 50 quadrillion Btu by 2025 in the reference 
case. The result is that even in a case with an accelerated decline in 
energy intensity, the U.S. will still be highly dependent on energy 
imports to meet future consumption needs.

 III. RISING TO THE CHALLENGE: PRESIDENT BUSH'S NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY.

    These trends are a concern. We long ago ceased to fully provide for 
our petroleum needs domestically, and though most of our natural gas 
can be supplied currently by North American production, the trend here 
is also toward a greater share for imported gas.
    Quite simply, we are at the mercy of events and decisions over 
which we have often limited-sometimes no -control. When winters and 
summers are mild; when no refineries or pipelines break down; when 
supply from abroad is abundant and reliable, we do not feel this 
dependency. But when almost anything goes wrong, the markets react 
instantly, and we confront the higher prices and volatility that have 
become by now an almost reliable cyclical phenomenon.
    President Bush recognized that to prevent those problems from 
becoming a permanent, recurring feature of American life, we needed a 
long-term plan for energy security that would promote reliable, 
affordable and environmentally sound energy for the future.
    Almost two years ago, President Bush presented his solution, a 
national energy policy, to the American people.
    The key to the comprehensive plan's approach was the recognition 
that over the next 20 years our country would demand large and timely 
increases in energy in order to keep our economy growing, keep 
Americans working, and keep the nation secure.
    The National Energy Policy helped define six general objectives to 
ensure America's continued growth and prosperity:

-- First, we would aggressively reduce demand by employing energy 
        efficient technologies and encourage sound conservation 
        measures as essential components of our energy policy.
-- Second, realizing that even the most aggressive energy efficiency 
        and conservation programs would not be enough by themselves to 
        bring supply and demand into balance, we resolved to increase 
        energy supply, with an emphasis on domestic supply.
-- Third, to ensure energy security, we would maintain a diversity of 
        fuels from a multiplicity of sources.
-- Fourth, we would dramatically upgrade our national energy 
        infrastructure so as to more efficiently and reliably deliver 
        energy from the source to the consumer.
-- Fifth, we would accomplish our energy production, consumption and 
        conservation goals while building on our successful record of 
        environmental protection.
-- Sixth, realizing that our energy challenges would extend beyond the 
        next two decades, we would provide a vision of the future in 
        which solutions to these challenges would transform our energy 
        future.

                IV. NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY ACHIEVEMENTS

    Above all else, the underlying goal of the National Energy Policy 
was to strengthen America's energy security; and pursuant to this goal, 
the Administration has made significant progress in the past two years.
    This Administration has made great strides toward increasing 
domestic energy supplies and diversifying foreign energy sources. The 
President's decision to move forward on Yucca Mountain, and Congress' 
subsequent approval, will ensure the continued viability of the 
nation's nuclear industry. And the President's Coal Research Initiative 
continues to demonstrate great promise for the development of new 
technologies for cleaning--and potentially eliminating--coal emissions 
and thereby protecting the viability of this nation's most abundant 
energy resource.
    As part of our efforts to modernize and expand the infrastructure 
we have established an interagency Task Force on Permit Streamlining 
that has been instrumental in coordinating the permit process for many 
infrastructure projects, joined with Congress to enact Pipeline Safety 
legislation, and begun construction on the Path 15 transmission line to 
ease electricity congestion in California.
    The Administration's commitment to encouraging conservation, 
boosting energy efficiency, and expanding the potential for the use of 
clean renewable energy is demonstrated in the President's request for 
increased weatherization funding, and the largest request for funding 
for the Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and 
Renewable Energy in 20 years.
    Our promise to protect the environment for future generations is 
the foundation of proposals such as Clear Skies, which will 
substantially reduce the amount of pollutants resulting from the 
production of electricity and through the Administration's Brownfields 
initiative which seeks to return abandoned industrial properties to 
beneficial use allowing location of combined heat and power facilities 
on remediated lands.

                   V. TRANSFORMING OUR ENERGY FUTURE.

    Of particular significance, however, are two Presidential 
initiatives that I would like to take a moment to highlight. The 
National Energy Policy recommended that the President direct the 
Secretary of Energy to develop next generation technologies, and it 
specifically focused on hydrogen and fusion.

A. Hydrogen.
    The President soon carried out this recommendation by announcing 
the FreedomCAR initiative, a program designed to greatly accelerate the 
pace of development of hydrogen vehicles.
    The potential benefits of hydrogen-fueled vehicles are incredible.

<bullet> Hydrogen can be produced from diverse domestic sources, 
        freeing us from reliance on foreign imports for the energy we 
        use at home.
<bullet> When hydrogen is used to power fuel cell vehicles, it will do 
        so with more than twice the efficiency of today's engines.
<bullet> And hydrogen-powered vehicles would have a tremendous positive 
        impact on the environment, as they would produce none of the 
        harmful emissions that we see with today's gasoline-powered 
        fleet. In fact, the only byproduct of the fuel cell is pure 
        water.
    These factors also led to the development of the President's 
Hydrogen Fuel Initiative, which he announced just over one month ago 
during the State of the Union Address.
    Today's gasoline-powered vehicles are fueled by an infrastructure 
that is the result of nearly 100 years and 1 trillion dollars of 
investment. It is remarkably efficient, and it is everywhere. 
Initially, we won't need a hydrogen station on every corner, and our 
hydrogen production will not need to match gasoline production 
overnight. But we needed a plan for making the necessary research and 
development breakthroughs to enable industry to develop a fueling 
infrastructure that would allow hydrogen vehicles to operate alongside 
their gasoline counterparts, that would be ready when the vehicles are 
entering the marketplace, and that will grow with the use of this new 
technology.
    The President's Hydrogen Fuel Initiative provides this plan for the 
future hydrogen economy, and it has already generated tremendous 
enthusiasm among the energy and auto industries--partners that will be 
integral to transforming our nation's energy future from one dependent 
on foreign petroleum, to one that utilizes the most abundant element in 
the universe.
    As the President has said, his goal is to see to it that the first 
car driven by a child born today could be powered by hydrogen and 
pollution free. Pursuant to the FreedomCAR partnership and Hydrogen 
Fuel Initiative, we propose to focus $1.7 billion over the next five 
years on several significant barriers to hydrogen, fuel cell, and 
advanced automotive technologies:

<bullet> First, we will work to lower the cost of fuel cells by another 
        factor of ten. If we were to mass-produce the fuel cell designs 
        we have today, they would cost approximately $300 per kilowatt. 
        The comparable cost of a modern internal combustion engine is 
        $30 per kilowatt, so we have our work cut out for us to make 
        this technology competitive.
<bullet> Second, we will endeavor to lower the cost of hydrogen, which 
        is approximately four times more expensive than its gasoline 
        equivalent today. Our 2010 goal is to bring down the cost of 
        the hydrogen equivalent of an untaxed gallon of gas to $1.50. 
        The way to do that is by developing cost effective, efficient 
        means of production and distribution.
<bullet> Third, we will undertake research aimed at devising new 
        methods to store sufficient amounts of hydrogen fuel aboard a 
        vehicle, to provide consumers with a driving range of at least 
        300 miles between refuelings.
<bullet> Fourth, and most critically, we will work to solve the 
        overarching infrastructure challenges, to develop a hydrogen-
        based delivery and refueling infrastructure like the petroleum-
        based one we now have.
    If we are successful in this endeavor, we estimate that industry 
could make a commercialization decision on fuel cell vehicles, hydrogen 
production, and refueling infrastructure by 2015. A positive decision 
would lead to hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the showroom by 2020, and 
by 2040, this could reduce oil use in light duty vehicles by over 11 
million barrels per day--an amount of oil that approximates that which 
America imports today.

B. Fusion
    A second element of the National Energy Policy technologies 
recommendation received much attention domestically and internationally 
when President Bush recently announced that the United States would 
make a major commitment to the development of fusion energy.
    Fusion is the process that powers the sun and the stars, and our 
best scientists believe it may become the ultimate energy source for 
earth as well. In the stars, hydrogen atoms combine under extremely 
high temperature and pressure to produce helium and energy. The 
envisioned fusion energy plants would harness this process here on 
earth, relying on an abundant fuel that is readily available to all 
nations: simple seawater. Fusion energy plants would produce no harmful 
emissions, no long-term radioactive waste, and because no fissile 
materials are required in the fusion process, it presents virtually no 
proliferation threat. It promises to be the ultimate safe, clean, 
abundant energy source, and it may be the energy source for the future.
    The great promise of fusion, however, presents great scientific 
challenges, challenges we believe we can meet if we engage the talents 
of experts from around the world. That is why on January 30, 2003, 
President Bush announced that the United States would join with the 
international community to develop the International Thermonuclear 
Experimental Reactor. When built, ITER is expected to achieve the first 
sustained burning plasma, an essential next step in demonstrating the 
feasibility of commercial fusion energy systems. In his announcement, 
the President noted that ITER is ``an ambitious international research 
project'' that will ``advance the effort to produce clean, safe, 
renewable, and commercially-available fusion energy by the middle of 
this century.''
    Both our hydrogen initiative and our fusion energy research program 
will, of course, depend on Congressional funding and approval, and we 
look forward to working with Congress to ensure that these initiatives 
are fully supported.

               VI. PRINCIPLES GUIDING ENERGY LEGISLATION.

    Hydrogen and fusion present a long-term promise, and are primarily 
focused on research and development. But there are a number of 
proposals that can be implemented now. Some require action by the 
Administration-indeed, three-quarters of the National Energy Policy's 
105 recommendations can and are being done by actions in the Executive 
Branch. However, some of the most important actions require legislative 
action.
    Let me outline a few of the principles that the Administration 
believes should guide the development of energy legislation, and the 
goals we think we should achieve.
A. Modernization of Wholesale Electricity Laws
    The Administration strongly believes a comprehensive energy bill 
must include a sound electricity title that modernizes our Nation's 
antiquated wholesale electricity laws.
    Our overarching goal is to ensure that Americans have abundant, 
affordable, clean and secure electricity supplies.
    Developments in the electricity industry in recent years have 
brought the industry to a crossroads. While the move to competitive 
markets has fostered enormous benefits, some serious problems have 
given rise to a significant policy debate, especially over the past two 
years.
    We have three basic policy choices.

<bullet> First, go back to comprehensive rate regulation for wholesale 
        power sales. Have FERC set regulated rates for each 
        jurisdictional utility. Abandon reliance on market forces and 
        competition as the underpinning of Federal electricity policy.
<bullet> Second, maintain the status quo. Defer making decisions on 
        major policy issues. Continue to straddle the fence.
<bullet> And, third, complete the transition to effective competition 
        in wholesale power markets.
    Going back to comprehensive rate regulation is not really an 
option. Too much has happened, and too much has changed. The process of 
change introduced into electricity markets by past Federal and State 
policies is probably irreversible.
    Preserving the status quo is not a real option, either. The status 
quo has meant dramatic price spikes in wholesale power markets in 
California and the West, attempts to manipulate power markets, a 
dramatic expansion of generation by many independent power producers 
and the subsequent challenges some have faced as a result, and stagnant 
investment in an inadequate transmission grid that restricts entry into 
regional power markets.
    The Administration believes that there really is only one viable 
policy choice: completing the transition to effective competition in 
wholesale power markets designed to generate and deliver reliable, 
abundant and affordable electricity.
    The evidence of the price benefits derived from increased 
efficiencies can already be seen. As imperfect as the market has been, 
wholesale power prices declined by 23 % from 1985 to 2000. Even when 
one takes into account the volatile price increases of 2001, the 
decline from 1985 is still 12%.
    Well-functioning markets will, we believe, lead to lower costs for 
consumers and businesses. But there is more than simply the benefit of 
lower prices. A well-functioning market brings its own rewards. As 
confidence is gained that the system is reliable and capable of coping 
with high-demand for electricity, there will increasingly be less need 
for restrictive and prescriptive regulation. And that is the point when 
much-needed investment is likely to be attracted--investment in new 
technologies, and in improved generation and transmission facilities 
that produce additional energy and environmental benefits.
    When the opposite is true--when uncertainty reigns, when 
reliability is questioned, when prices seem detached from market 
forces--investment vanishes.
    What is required to complete the transition is new and aggressive 
reform, and that requires new legislation and new, streamlined 
regulatory regimes.
    The reforms that lead to greater competition are embodied in the 
following principles:

<bullet> Prevent market manipulation and market power abuse.
<bullet> Promote reliability of electricity service.
<bullet> Ensure open access to the interstate transmission grid.
<bullet> Eliminate undue discrimination in wholesale power markets.
<bullet> Ensure that customers have the ability to respond to price in 
        real-time.
<bullet> Encourage investment in new generation and transmission 
        facilities.
<bullet> Support transmission policy options, including participant 
        funding, that appropriately allocates costs; and
<bullet> Lower barriers to entry to electricity markets.
    The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission has already taken a number 
of steps in these directions. For example, FERC already has begun a 
rulemaking to establish incentive-based and performance-based rate 
treatments to encourage construction of new transmission facilities, 
and has acted to make regional transmission organizations a reality.
    However, legislation still is needed, and the Administration 
believes that much of the Electricity title in the draft House bill is 
a strong step in the right direction. Because the Administration 
supports efforts to ensure open access for all generators to the 
wholesale electricity grid, the open access language in section 7021 of 
the draft House bill is a desirable goal, and we support that goal. The 
Administration also supports establishing mandatory and enforceable 
reliability rules that will reduce the chances for power outages. 
Therefore, we support section 7031 of the bill concerning electric 
reliability.
    The Administration agrees that the Public Utility Holding Company 
Act (PUHCA), an outdated law that restricts utility investment, should 
be repealed, and so we support Subtitle D of the Electricity title in 
the House bill. We also have advocated reform of the Public Utility 
Regulatory Policies Act (PURPA) in an innovative and competition-
friendly manner as contemplated in Subtitle E of the Electricity title.
    The Administration supports FERC's ability to review mergers and 
prohibit abuses of market power. As a result, we oppose section 7101 of 
the bill, which would repeal FERC's authority to review mergers. The 
Administration supports enacting legislation to further protect 
consumers against unauthorized disclosure of personal information, 
unauthorized switching of electricity service, and unethical 
individuals and companies in this industry. As a result, we generally 
support Subtitle H of the draft bill and look forward to working with 
you on some of the details of this subtitle.
    We also believe that to facilitate an effective national electric 
transmission grid for the benefit of consumers, last-resort federal 
siting authority for high-priority transmission lines is needed. 
Therefore, we support the concepts of section 7012 concerning siting of 
transmission facilities. However, we still are reviewing the details 
and legal ramifications of this proposal. We believe the Tennessee 
Valley Authority and the Power Marketing Administrations (PMA) should 
be an integral part of the national grid and relevant authority should 
be included in the bill. We also generally support Subtitle B of the 
draft bill concerning transmission operation, though we do have some 
concerns about the regional transmission organization section because, 
among other things, it does not explicitly provide for Federal cost 
recovery when a PMA joins an RTO, or for preserving prior contracts and 
third-party financing obligations of the PMAs. We look forward to 
working with you to address our concerns.
    Finally, the Administration supports the ban on roundtrip trading, 
the increases in criminal penalties, and the other modifications made 
to the Federal Power Act in Subtitle G of the draft bill. We are still 
studying the provisions of Subtitle F concerning Renewable Energy, but 
it appears that the bill contains much we can support there as well.

B. Energy efficiency and conservation
    A comprehensive energy policy must be balanced, and must include 
initiatives that foster both supply and demand side improvements-and 
importantly, those which increase energy efficiency and energy 
conservation. The Administration has strongly supported efforts to 
increase energy efficiency, and I am pleased to note the Chairman's 
inclusion in his energy legislation of agreements reached to this end 
by the energy conferees of the 107th Congress.

C. Tax Provisions
    Comprehensive energy legislation must increase energy conservation 
and efficiency. Nearly every dollar of the NEP's energy tax proposals 
for FY 2002-2012 would be devoted to increasing efficiency, 
conservation, and renewable energy. For example, the NEP includes a 
consumer tax credit for the purchase of hybrid and fuel cell vehicles. 
Other fiscal incentives include extending and modifying the tax credit 
for producing electricity from environmentally friendly sources, such 
as biomass and wind; providing tax credits for energy produced from 
landfill gas, residential solar energy systems, and investment in 
combined heat and power; and extending the ethanol tax exemption. It is 
imperative that the tax provisions of comprehensive energy legislation 
reflect the President's priorities of environmental protection and 
energy conservation and maintain the fiscal discipline reflected in the 
FY 2004 Budget.

D. Renewable Fuels Standard
    The Administration strongly supports a renewable fuels standard 
that will increase the use of clean, domestically produced renewable 
fuels, especially ethanol, which will improve the Nation's energy 
security, farm economy, and environment. The Administration also 
supports the inclusion of a market-based, national credit trading 
mechanism--such as that included in Section 5052 of the draft 
legislation--that will increase efficiency and reduce costs.

E. Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline
    The Administration strongly supports the construction of a 
commercially viable Alaska natural gas pipeline as a critical part of 
our energy security portfolio, and believes that market forces should 
select the route of the pipeline. Although no such provision appears in 
the House draft, the Administration reiterates its strong opposition to 
a price-floor tax subsidy--and any similar provision--because it would 
distort markets. It is also likely to undermine Canada's support for 
construction of the pipeline, setting back broader bilateral energy 
integration.

F. ANWR
    As I've stated earlier, the Administration firmly believes that a 
balanced, comprehensive energy plan is imperative to the long-term 
strength of our economic and national security. This balance must 
include a recognition that we must also increase domestic production in 
order to reduce our rising dependence on imported oil and gas; and key 
to achieving this balance is the President's proposal to open a small 
portion of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to 
environmentally responsible oil and gas exploration and development.
    As you are aware, primary responsibility for managing the vast 
public resources of this nation rests with the Department of the 
Interior. Secretary Norton has set a goal of forging strong 
partnerships with Federal and State agencies, Tribal governments, and 
all of the stakeholders-including the Congress-to create greater 
opportunities for the responsible development of energy resources on 
Federal lands.
    The Department of the Interior has taken several actions to advance 
the goals of the National Energy Policy, including the approval of a 5-
year Oil and Gas Leasing program to ensure that the Outer Continental 
Shelf remains a solid contributor to our nation's energy security; 
completion of the EPCA inventory, which provides an estimate of 
undiscovered technically recoverable resources and proved resources of 
oil and gas; and recent collaboration with the Department of Energy on 
a joint report that identifies and evaluates renewable energy resources 
on public lands. The Bureau of Land Management will use this report's 
findings to prioritize land-use planning activities, and to increase 
the development and use of renewable energy resources.

G. Price-Anderson
    The Administration strongly believes that comprehensive energy 
legislation should include long-term reauthorization of the Price-
Anderson Act. Price-Anderson ensures prompt and equitable compensation 
for the public in the unlikely event of a nuclear accident.
    In the Bob Stump National Defense Authorization Act of 2003, 
Congress extended Price-Anderson for DOE contractors until December 31, 
2004. In the recent omnibus appropriations act, Congress extended 
Price-Anderson for Nuclear Regulatory Commission licensees only until 
December 31, 2003. We need a long-term extension of this important law, 
and therefore we applaud the draft House bill's extension of Price-
Anderson to 2017.
    We have only recently seen the provisions of the draft bill 
concerning financial accountability, safety, security and other matters 
relevant to the nuclear power industry, and look forward to working 
with Congress to ensure that the bill achieves its intended effect 
without detracting from the quality of potential contractors, or 
compromising security, anti-terrorism or non-proliferation efforts.

H. Strategic Petroleum Reserve
    As was demonstrated by the President's decision to fill the 
Strategic Petroleum Reserve to its current statutory capacity, the 
Administration recognizes the tremendous importance of this national 
resource. We applaud the Chairman for including permanent SPRO 
authorization in the legislation.
    The Administration intends shortly to initiate a study to determine 
the optimal size of the reserve. The results of this analysis are 
necessary to determine the full range of impacts on markets and 
national security of any decision to adjust capacity following its 
expected fill in 2005. We believe such an analysis is an important 
first step when considering an expansion of the Reserve above the 
current goal of 700 million barrels.
    At this point, I thank you for the opportunity to testify before 
you today, and I welcome any questions the Committee might have.

    Mr. Barton. Now recognizing the distinguished chairman of 
the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Tell him how much we have 
enjoyed working with you in your chairmanship and we wish you 
well in whatever future endeavors you incur once you leave the 
commission. Do you know how long your statement is?
    Mr. Meserve. Under 5 minutes.
    Mr. Barton. Well, you all are just doing great. Okay, we 
will recognize you for 6 minutes, also.

                 STATEMENT OF RICHARD A. MESERVE

    Mr. Meserve. Thank you for your generous comments, Mr. 
Chairman. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I am 
pleased to be here today to present the Nuclear Regulatory 
Commission's perspective on how nuclear energy fits into the 
national energy policy.
    As the subcommittee knows, the NRC's mission is to ensure 
the adequate protection of public health and safety, the common 
defense and security, and the environment in the application of 
nuclear technology for civilian use.
    The commission does not have a promotional role. Its role 
is to ensure the safe application of nuclear technology if 
society elects to pursue the nuclear energy option.
    The commission, nonetheless, recognizes that the quality, 
predictability and timeliness of its regulatory actions bear on 
licensee decisions related to construction and operation of 
nuclear power plants.
    Currently there are 104 nuclear power plants licensed by 
the commission to operate in the United States in 31 different 
States.
    As a group they are operating at high levels of safety and 
reliability. Indeed the trends over the past decade are very 
favorable, as indicated by the graphs and tables in my 
submitted statement.
    These plants have produced approximately 20 percent of our 
Nation's electricity for the past several years. Because of the 
improved economic performance of the plants, the commission has 
seen a significant increase in the number of requests for 
approval of license renewal that would allow the plants to 
operate beyond their original 40 year term.
    The focus of the commission's review of license renewal 
applications is on maintaining plant safety, with a primary 
concern directed at the effects of aging on important systems, 
structures and components.
    Applicants must demonstrate that they have identified and 
can manage the effects of aging, so as to maintain an 
acceptable level of safety during the period of extended 
operation.
    The commission has now renewed the licenses of plants at 
five sites for an additional 20 years, comprising a total of 
ten units. A thorough review of these applications were 
completed on or ahead of schedule.
    And applications for 20 units from 12 additional sites are 
currently under review. Many more applications for renewal are 
anticipated in the coming years.
    In recent years, the commission has also approved license 
amendments that permit its licensees to undertake power 
uprates.
    The commission takes this step only after determining that 
safety margins can be maintained at the higher power. 
Collectively, these approved uprates supplied the electricity 
equivalent to that from three large power plants, approximately 
3,000 megawatts electric.
    Over the past 17 months, the commission has undertaken a 
comprehensive review of safeguards and security programs, in 
close consultation with the Department of Homeland Security, 
the Department of Energy, and other Federal agencies, and with 
significant involvement by State agencies.
    Out of that review has come a series of interim 
compensatory measures to strengthen nuclear security at power 
reactors and other NRC licensed facilities, as well as in the 
transportation of spent fuel.
    Last August we put in place a five tier threat advisory 
system compatible with the homeland security advisory system. 
We have issued orders to strengthen programs that control 
access at power reactors.
    And have drafted proposed orders to strengthen guard 
training and address guard fatigue. We provided revised design 
based threats for comment to other Federal agencies, the States 
and cleared stakeholders.
    We have been conducting enhanced table-top security 
exercises at our reactor facilities and are resuming the 
conduct of enhanced force-on-force exercises.
    While the improved performance of operating nuclear power 
plants has resulted in significant increases in electrical 
output, increased demands for electricity will need to be 
addressed eventually by construction of new generating capacity 
of some type.
    As a result, industry interest in new construction of 
nuclear power plants has recently emerged. As you know, the 
commission has already certified three new reactor designs.
    The NRC staff is currently reviewing the Westinghouse 
AP1000 design and has six other designs in various stages of 
preapplication review.
    In addition, discussions are taking place in preparation 
for three early site permit applications which are expected in 
2003.
    The commission has a stake in the national energy policy 
and has identified areas where new legislation would be 
helpful. These changes would maintain safety, while increasing 
flexibility.
    Additionally, the commission has long sought additional 
authority in the nuclear security arena. With a strong 
Congressional interest in examining energy policy, the 
commission is optimistic that there will be a legislative 
vehicle for making these changes.
    There are many elements of the proposed legislation before 
this committee that we support and a few that we believe are 
unnecessary.
    Mr. Chairman, we would be very pleased to work with you and 
the committee in addressing matters of mutual concern. Thank 
you for the opportunity to testify today, I would be very 
pleased to take questions.
    [The prepared statement of Hon. Richard A. Meserve 
follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Richard A. Meserve, Chairman, U.S. Nuclear 
                         Regulatory Commission

                              INTRODUCTION

    Mr. Chairman, members of the Subcommittee, I am pleased to submit 
this testimony on behalf of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 
(NRC) regarding the NRC's perspective on how nuclear energy fits into 
the U.S. National Energy Policy. As the Subcommittee knows, the 
Commission's mission is to ensure the adequate protection of public 
health and safety, the common defense and security, and the environment 
in the application of nuclear technology for civilian use. The 
Commission does not have a promotional role--the agency's role is to 
ensure the safe application of nuclear technology if society elects to 
pursue the nuclear energy option. The Commission recognizes, however, 
that its regulatory system should not establish inappropriate 
impediments to the application of nuclear technology. Many of the 
Commission's initiatives over the past several years have sought to 
maintain or enhance safety and security while simultaneously improving 
the efficiency and effectiveness of our regulatory system.
    The Commission's primary focus is on safety. The Commission 
nonetheless recognizes that the quality, predictability, and timeliness 
of its regulatory actions bear on licensee decisions related to 
construction and operation of nuclear power plants.

                               BACKGROUND

    Currently there are 104 nuclear power plants licensed by the 
Commission to operate in the United States in 31 different states. As a 
group, they are operating at high levels of safety and reliability. 
Indeed, the trends over the past decade are very favorable.
    These plants have produced approximately 20% of our nation's 
electricity for the past several years and are operated by about 35 
different companies. In 2001, these nuclear power plants produced about 
750-thousand gigawatt-hours of electricity.

Improved Licensee Efficiencies (Increased Capacity Factors)
    The nation's nuclear electricity generators have worked for over 
ten years to improve nuclear power plant performance, reliability, and 
efficiency. According to the Nuclear Energy Institute, the improved 
performance of the U.S. nuclear power plants since 1990 is equivalent 
to placing 23 new 1000-MWe power plants on line. The average capacity 
factor for U.S. light water reactors was 90 percent in 2001, up from 71 
percent just 10 years earlier. The Commission has focused on ensuring 
that safety has not been compromised as a result of these industry 
efforts.

                U.S. Commercial Nuclear Power Reactor Average Capacity Factor and Net Generation
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                                                                          Average         Net Generation of
                                                           Number of      Annual             Electricity
                          Year                             Operating     Capacity   ----------------------------
                                                           Reactors       Factor      Thousands of   Percent of
                                                                         (Percent)   Gigawatthours   Total U.S.
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1990...................................................          111            68            577          19.1
1991...................................................          111            71            613          20.0
1992...................................................          110            71            619          20.1
1993...................................................          109            73            610          19.1
1994...................................................          109            75            640          19.7
1995...................................................          109            79            673          20.1
1996...................................................          110            77            675          19.6
1997...................................................          104            74            629          18.0
1998...................................................          104            78            674          18.6
1999...................................................          104            86            728          19.6
2000...................................................          104            88            754          19.8
2001...................................................          104            90            767          20.0
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         initiatives in the area of current reactor regulation
License Renewals
    Because of the improved economic performance of the plants, the 
Commission has seen a significant increase in the number of requests 
for approval of license renewal that would allow plants to operate 
beyond their original 40-year term. That term, which was established in 
the Atomic Energy Act, did not reflect a limitation that was determined 
by engineering or scientific considerations, but rather was based on 
financial and antitrust concerns.
    The focus of the Commission's review of license renewal 
applications is on maintaining plant safety, with the primary concern 
directed at the effects of aging on important systems, structures, and 
components. Applicants must demonstrate that they have identified and 
can manage the effects of aging so as to maintain an acceptable level 
of safety during the period of extended operation.
    The Commission has now renewed the licenses of plants at five sites 
for an additional 20 years: Calvert Cliffs in Maryland, and Oconee in 
South Carolina, Arkansas Nuclear One in Arkansas, Edwin I. Hatch in 
Georgia, and Turkey Point in Florida, comprising a total of ten units. 
The thorough reviews of these applications were completed on or ahead 
of schedule, which is indicative of the care exercised by licensees in 
the preparation of the applications and the planning and dedication of 
the Commission staff. Applications for twenty units from twelve 
additional sites are currently under review. As indicated by our 
licensees, many more applications for renewal are anticipated in the 
coming years.
    Although the Commission has met the projected schedules for the 
first reviews, we seek further improvements. The extent to which the 
Commission is able to sustain or improve on our performance depends on 
the rate at which applications are actually received, the quality of 
the applications, and the ability to staff the review effort. The 
Commission recognizes the importance of license renewal and is 
committed to providing high-priority attention to this effort. As you 
know, the Commission encourages early notification by licensees, in 
advance of their intentions to seek renewals, in order to allow 
adequate planning so as not to create unmanageable demands on staff 
resources.

Reactor Plant Power Uprates
    In recent years, the Commission has approved numerous license 
amendments that permit its licensees to make power uprates. The 
Commission takes this step only after determining that safety margins 
can be maintained at the higher power. Collectively, these approved 
uprates supplied the electricity equivalent to that from three large 
power plants (approximately 3,000 MWe). In addition, some nuclear 
generators have requested Commission safety review of increasing fuel 
burnup, thereby extending the operating cycle between refueling outages 
and thus increasing nuclear plant capacity factors. Again, such 
approvals are granted only after a thorough evaluation by Commission 
staff to ensure that safe operation and shutdown can be achieved at the 
increased fuel burnup.

Risk-Informing the Commission's Regulatory Framework
    The Commission also is in a period of dynamic change as the agency 
continues to move from a prescriptive, deterministic approach towards a 
more risk-informed and performance-based regulatory paradigm. Improved 
probabilistic risk assessment techniques combined with over four 
decades of accumulated experience with operating nuclear power reactors 
have led the Commission to revise or eliminate certain requirements. On 
the other hand, the Commission is prepared to strengthen our regulatory 
system where risk considerations reveal the need.
    Perhaps the most visible aspect of the Commission's efforts to 
risk-inform its regulatory framework is the new reactor oversight 
process. The process was initiated on a pilot basis in 1999 and fully 
implemented in April 2000. The new process was developed to focus 
inspection effort on those areas involving greater risk to the plant 
and thus to workers and the public, while simultaneously providing a 
more objective and transparent process.

Nuclear Security Enhancements
    Over the past 17 months, the Commission has undertaken a 
comprehensive review of safeguards and security programs, in close 
consultation with the Department of Homeland Security and other Federal 
agencies, and with significant involvement by State agencies. Out of 
that review has come a series of interim compensatory measures to 
strengthen nuclear security at power reactors, Category I fuel cycle 
facilities, decommissioning reactors, research and test reactors, 
independent spent fuel storage facilities, the two gaseous diffusion 
plants, and the conversion facility, as well as in the transportation 
of spent fuel. Last August we put in place a five-tier threat advisory 
system compatible with the Homeland Security Advisory System, and we 
have used that system twice to improve security measures at our 
licensed facilities. We have issued Orders to strengthen programs to 
control access at power reactors. We have drafted proposed Orders to 
strengthen guard training and address guard fatigue. We have provided 
revised design basis threats for comment to other Federal agencies, the 
States and cleared industry personnel. We have been conducting enhanced 
table-top security exercises at our reactor facilities and have just 
resumed the conduct of enhanced force-on-force exercises at these 
facilities. We plan to conduct force-on-force exercises on a thee-year 
cycle and have requested the resources to do this in our fiscal year 
2004 budget. We have defined the actions that we need to take to ensure 
better control of high risk radioactive sources containing radioactive 
isotopes of the most concern for potential use in a radiological 
dispersal device.

                           FUTURE ACTIVITIES

Scheduling and Organizational Assumptions Associated with New Reactor 
        Designs
    While improved performance of operating nuclear power plants has 
resulted in significant increases in electrical output, significant 
increased demands for electricity will need to be addressed by 
construction of new generating capacity of some type. As a result, 
industry interest in new construction of nuclear power plants in the 
U.S. has recently emerged. As you know, the Commission has already 
certified three new reactor designs, pursuant to 10 CFR Part 52, making 
them readily available for new plant orders. These designs include 
General Electric's advanced boiling water reactor, Westinghouse's AP-
600 and Combustion Engineering's System 80+.
    In addition to the three already certified advanced reactor 
designs, there are new nuclear power plant technologies which some 
believe can provide enhanced safety, improved efficiency, lower costs, 
as well as other benefits. The NRC staff is currently reviewing the 
Westinghouse AP1000 design certification application and has six other 
designs in various stages of pre-application review. In addition, pre-
application discussions are taking place in preparation for three early 
site permit applications expected in 2003.
    The staff is also making infrastructure improvements to ensure that 
tools, information, and regulatory processes are in place for the 
efficient, effective, and realistic review of new site and reactor 
applications. For example, the NRC staff has developed proposed changes 
to 10 CFR Part 52 ``Early Site Permits, Standard Design Certifications, 
and Combined Licenses for Nuclear Power Plants'' based on lessons 
learned during the previous design certification reviews and 
discussions with industry representatives on the licensing processes. 
Additionally, the NRC staff has initiated early site permit pre-
application public meetings in the vicinity of expected sites to inform 
the public about the early site permit process and their opportunities 
for participation. It should also be noted that the NRC staff is 
developing options for the efficient review of security aspects of new 
reactor designs and early site permits.
    In order to confirm the safety of new reactor designs and 
technology, the NRC believes that a strong nuclear research program 
should be maintained. The NRC staff is performing a research 
infrastructure assessment for advanced reactors. The assessment 
identifies technology gaps and the means to fill the gaps in the form 
of methods, tools, data and expertise. The Advisory Committee on 
Reactor Safeguards has been briefed and has provided comments and 
recommendations regarding the assessment findings. With the benefit of 
these insights, the Commission expects to undertake measures to 
strengthen our research program for new reactor designs over the coming 
months.

                  NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY IMPLICATIONS

    The Commission has a stake in the national energy policy and has 
identified areas where new legislation would be helpful to eliminate 
artificial restrictions and to reduce the uncertainty in the licensing 
process. These changes would maintain safety while increasing 
flexibility in decision-making. Although those changes would have 
little or no immediate impact on electrical supply, they would help 
establish the context for consideration of nuclear power by the private 
sector without any compromise of public health and safety or protection 
of the environment. Additionally, the Commission has long sought 
additional authority in the nuclear security arena to enhance security 
for these facilities, the need for which has been magnified by the 
events of September 11, 2001.
    Legislation will be needed to extend the Price-Anderson Act. The 
Act, which recently received a one-year extension until December 31, 
2003, establishes a framework that provides assurance that adequate 
funds will be available to compensate the public in the event of a 
nuclear accident and sets out a process for considering nuclear 
liability claims. While our mission is not a promotional one, it is our 
understanding that without the framework provided by the Act, new 
private-sector participation in nuclear power would be discouraged. 
Moreover, the Commission believes it is important to assure that if an 
improbable accident should occur, the means are provided to care for 
the affected members of the public.
    Over the years, the NRC has provided and continues to pursue 
legislative proposals to Congress detailing specific initiatives that 
would further enhance security of NRC-licensed activities. These 
proposals address a wide spectrum of activities. One provision would 
authorize guards at NRC-regulated facilities to use deadly force to 
protect property significant to the common defense and security. This 
would give guards protection from State criminal prosecution for 
actions taken during the performance of their official duties. Another 
provision would allow the Commission, in consultation with the Attorney 
General, to confer upon guards at NRC-designated facilities the 
authority to possess or use weapons that are comparable to those used 
by the Department of Energy's guard forces. Some State laws currently 
preclude private guard forces at NRC-regulated facilities from 
utilizing a wide range of weapons. Another provision would make it a 
Federal crime to bring unauthorized weapons and explosives into NRC-
licensed facilities. The NRC would also make Federal prohibitions on 
sabotage applicable to the operation and construction of certain 
nuclear facilities. The NRC hopes that these and other more recently 
developed legislative initiatives, such as in the area of access 
authorization, will be enacted early in the 108th Congress.
    With the strong Congressional interest in examining energy policy, 
the Commission is optimistic that there will be a legislative vehicle 
for making these changes and thereby for updating the Atomic Energy 
Act. As you know, the Commission has expressed significant concerns 
about several provisions that were contained in H.R. 4 and H.R. 2938 
from the last Congress. We would be pleased to work with the Committee 
in addressing those concerns.

                                SUMMARY

    The Commission has long been, and will continue to be, active in 
ensuring the adequate protection of public health and safety, the 
common defense and security, and the environment in the application of 
nuclear technology for civilian use. The Commission is mindful of the 
need to: (1) reduce unnecessary burdens, so as not to inappropriately 
inhibit any renewed interest in nuclear power; (2) maintain open 
communications with all its stakeholders; and (3) continue to encourage 
its highly qualified staff to strive for increased efficiency and 
effectiveness.
    I look forward to working with the Committee, and I welcome your 
comments and questions.

    Mr. Barton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    We now recognize the distinguished Chairman of the Federal 
Energy Regulatory Commission, Mr. Wood. Do you know how long 
your statement--5 minutes. Okay, we will give you 6 minutes 
also.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. PATRICK WOOD

    Mr. Wood. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members. Dependable, 
reliable, affordable, competitive wholesale energy markets 
require three key elements. Adequate infrastructure, balanced 
market rules and vigilant market oversight.
    Since I became chairman 18 months ago at the FERC, the 
commission has been aggressively moving forward on each of 
these three elements.
    For example, recently the commission has acted to safeguard 
information about our critical energy infrastructure. We have 
held public conferences across the country to assess 
infrastructure adequacy in the different regions of the 
country.
    We propose to limit the sharing of cash assets between 
regulated and unregulated affiliates in ways that can harm 
utility customers, and, importantly, we formed a new office 
that is focused solely on market oversight and enforcement.
    For wholesale electric energy markets, the commission is 
proposing to adopt a platform of market elements that are 
shared by the best functioning markets in the world.
    We are looking at financial incentives for building new 
transmission or operating transmission independently of 
generation ownership and we are looking at a streamlined 
process to interconnect new generation to the transmission grid 
for that day in the future when supply and demand come closer 
into balance.
    The commission also intends to act soon on the proceedings 
involving the energy crisis of 2000-2001, before Commissioner 
Brownell and I arrived at the commission, which plagued 
California and the west, including the refund proceedings, the 
staff's investigation of evidence of market manipulation in the 
energy markets in the west, efforts to revisit or reform long 
term power contracts, and the alleged withholding of natural 
gas transportation capacity on a major pipeline serving the 
California markets.
    For gas markets itself, the commission has significantly 
expedited its processing of natural gas pipeline construction 
applications, cutting by one-third the environmental and 
sighting and regulatory reviews that existed when I was at FERC 
last in 1992.
    We stand ready to process any applications to bring a 
pipeline of Alaska natural gas into the lower continental 
market. And in addition, the commission has taken steps 
recently to encourage greater development and streamline the 
regulatory approach for liquified natural gas, imported natural 
gas on barges to the United States from other countries or from 
other parts of our country.
    That is a critical part of our long term gas solution. The 
commission has also proposed ways to streamline the processing 
of hydroelectric projects, which are an important part of the 
commission's responsibility under the law.
    Our intent in this process is to craft a more efficient and 
timely process, while balancing the required stakeholder 
interest and improving the quality of decisionmaking.
    In my view, in that light of what the commission is up to, 
to try to accomplish its statutory responsibilities, I would 
envision that there are three critical steps that Congress 
could take.
    The first of which is to clarify FERC's authority to obtain 
the market information necessary for price discovery and 
effective monitoring of gas and electric markets; a lot of 
which is in the bill, a few others are recommended in my 
testimony.
    Second, to increase the civil and criminal penalties for 
violations of both the Federal Power Act and the Natural Gas 
Act. Again, the Power Act issues are dealt with in the 
electricity title.
    And third, to take the steps required to make the Alaska 
Natural Gas Pipeline project a reality in this decade.
    This enormous Alaska Gas project is of national 
significance, and in order to maintain the long term health of 
all the energy markets, it must be built.
    Chairman Barton, your proposed legislation would take a 
number of steps in these various areas, as well as a number of 
others that are really outside the FERC's issues, and I think 
that they will collectively provide strong support for a 
continued evolution of well overseen competitive wholesale 
energy markets to meet the Nation's future electric needs and 
natural gas needs as well.
    [The prepared statement of Hon. Patrick Wood follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Hon. Pat Wood III, Chairman, Federal Energy 
                         Regulatory Commission

                             I. BACKGROUND

    I appreciate the opportunity to testify on the current status of 
energy markets under the jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulatory 
Commission (FERC or the Commission). Today, I would like to focus 
particularly on natural gas data reporting, the Alaskan Natural Gas 
Transportation System, wholesale electricity markets and hydroelectric 
licensing.
    Dependable, affordable, competitive wholesale energy markets 
require three key elements--adequate infrastructure, balanced market 
rules and vigilant oversight. Weakness in any one element can harm 
markets, American energy customers, and ultimately the entire U.S. 
economy. The Commission is pursuing a number of initiatives to 
establish the framework needed to spur investment in much-needed 
infrastructure, to support the most efficient and competitive wholesale 
marketplace, and to adequately monitor the marketplace so customers 
continue to derive benefits from energy markets. Achieving these goals 
restores confidence to investors and customers by promoting greater 
transparency and regulatory certainty.
    This FERC's commitment to prevent future market abuses, and to 
remedy past ones, is now a firmly established part of our agency's 
mission, and we will continue to strengthen our present coordination 
with other federal agencies to ensure that we effectively regulate 
energy industries so that customers and investors are fully protected.
    Additionally, the Commission is moving aggressively to take steps 
within its authority to remedy problems in the California and Western 
energy markets. The Commission has learned many lessons from the 
Western energy crisis in 2000-01, which caused unacceptable harm to 
ratepayers and demonstrated the consequences of poorly designed 
wholesale markets. We also have learned lessons from successful 
wholesale market reforms in the East. The Commission remains convinced 
that customers are best served by moving forward to complete the 
transition of the wholesale power business to competition. We are 
drawing from markets that work well to develop a national platform for 
competitive wholesale energy markets.
    While the Commission is taking steps within its authority to 
encourage needed electric and natural gas infrastructure and to bring 
stability and regulatory certainty to energy markets, there are several 
actions that the Congress could take to help us do our job more 
effectively and to ensure adequate protection of energy customers. In 
my view, the three most important steps that Congress can take are 
these: first, clarify FERC's authority to obtain market information 
necessary for price discovery and effective monitoring of natural gas 
and electric markets; second, increase civil and criminal penalties for 
violations of the Federal Power Act (FPA) and Natural Gas Act (NGA) or 
our rules and regulations thereunder; and, third, take the steps 
required to make the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline project a reality in 
this decade. With respect to the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline project, 
in particular, I would observe that this enormous project is of such 
national significance that Congress may want to consider focused 
financial support in any legislation. Chairman Barton's proposed 
legislation would take a number of steps in these areas as well as 
provide support for the continued evolution of strong competitive 
wholesale energy markets to meet our future energy needs.

              II. INITIATIVES IN ENERGY MARKETS GENERALLY

    While the natural gas and electricity industries differ in some 
ways, they share many issues. For example, both raise the issue of how 
we can safeguard our energy infrastructure against terrorists. Both 
also raise issues on the need for dependable, transparent accounting 
and the separation of utility operations financed by captive customers 
from unregulated ventures. On these issues and others, the Commission 
has taken a cross-industry approach to protect the interests of our 
Nation's energy customers.
    Critical Energy Infrastructure Information (CEII)--On February 21, 
2003, the Commission issued a final rule to protect the American public 
by safeguarding certain information about the Nation's energy 
infrastructure. Within a month of the terrorist attacks of September 
11, 2001, the Commission began a public proceeding to examine its CEII 
policies. The final rule defines CEII and establishes a timely 
procedure for the public to request and obtain such information, which 
encompasses only a small portion of the information available from the 
Commission.
    Regional Infrastructure Conferences--In the past 20 months, the 
Commission held conferences to address infrastructure concerns across 
the country--California, the Northeast, Southeast, Midwest and West. 
The aim of these conferences was to conduct in-depth studies of the 
broad conditions of the area's energy infrastructure, and to understand 
the issues in each region. These conferences featured informative 
presentations on the state of each region's energy infrastructure 
(electric power plants, fuel sources, hydroelectric facilities, gas 
pipelines, electric transmission system, and other relevant 
information), demographic and energy load forecasts, and were attended 
by state energy regulators as well as industry members and concerned 
citizens.
    Proposed Rules on Regulation of Cash Management Practices--In 
August 2002, the Commission proposed requirements for participation by 
public utilities and natural gas pipelines in cash management programs 
in order to prevent the abuse of such programs. Such abuse could occur 
where cash from Commission-regulated utility subsidiaries is 
transferred to the parent holding company and then used to finance 
unregulated activities by non-utility subsidiaries. The Commission has 
received comments on this proposal and I expect that we will act on 
this matter very soon.
    Proposed Rulemaking on Affiliate Standards of Conduct--In September 
2001, the Commission proposed to revise its restrictions on the 
relationship between regulated transmission providers and their energy 
affiliates. The Commission proposed, for example, to broaden the 
definition of an affiliate to include newer types of affiliates, 
including those operating trading platforms. The proposed standards of 
conduct would rely on three principles to prevent transmission market 
power from being exercised in commodity markets: (1) separating 
employees engaged in transmission services from those engaged in 
commodity marketing services; (2) ensuring that all transmission 
customers, affiliated and non-affiliated, are treated on a non-
discriminatory basis; and (3) prohibiting a transmission provider from 
granting its energy affiliate an undue preference over non-affiliates 
by sharing confidential or transmission information. The Commission 
also proposed to eliminate the differences between the Commission's 
rules for natural gas companies and electric utilities. The Commission 
intends to adopt final rules soon.
    Final Rule on Accounting--In October 2002, the Commission issued a 
final rule on accounting and reporting of financial instruments, 
comprehensive income, derivatives and hedging activities. The final 
rule directs public utilities, licensees, natural gas companies and oil 
pipelines to report changes in the fair value of certain investment 
securities, derivatives and hedging activities. The new rules will 
enhance the transparency of financial information and facilitate a 
better understanding of the nature and extent to which derivatives and 
hedging activities are used by regulated companies and the impact these 
transactions may have on the companies' financial condition.
    Industry Financial Condition Conferences--In January and February 
the Commission hosted two conferences on financial conditions in the 
energy markets. At these conferences, a number of factors were cited as 
causing the current financial problems. FERC is continuing to explore 
solutions to the financial conditions in the energy sector.
    Office of Market Oversight and Investigations (OMOI)--In order to 
better understand natural gas, oil and power markets and to swiftly 
remedy market rule violations and abuse of market power, the Commission 
created the new Office of Market Oversight and Investigations (OMOI). 
In August 2002, OMOI became a formal, functioning office within the 
Commission, reporting directly to the Commissioners. OMOI serves as an 
early warning system to alert the Commission when market problems 
develop, and allows the Commission to analyze and address any problems 
more quickly. OMOI has begun an aggressive program of outreach to a 
wide variety of entities including: other federal, state and provincial 
regulatory agencies, state consumer advocates, industry participants, 
academic institutions and think tanks, financial institutions (such as 
ratings agencies), and Market Monitoring Units (MMUs) at Regional 
Transmission Organizations (RTOs) and Independent System Operators.

             III. INITIATIVES IN THE ELECTRIC ENERGY MARKET

    The Commission has begun or continued work on numerous efforts to 
improve the performance, transparency and oversight of the wholesale 
electricity markets. These efforts, aimed at ensuring that electric 
energy customers receive adequate supplies at reasonable prices, 
include the following.
    Proposed Rulemaking on Standard Market Design--On July 31, 2002, 
the Commission issued proposed rules on a standard market design for 
wholesale electric energy markets, including a comprehensive plan for 
mitigating market power and market manipulation. The proposed rules are 
intended to provide certainty to all market participants, encourage new 
infrastructure investment, promote fair competition and prevent a 
repeat of the mistakes made previously in California. The proposed 
rules would remedy remaining undue discrimination in the use of the 
Nation's interstate transmission grid and also provide a solid platform 
to ensure that wholesale markets produce just and reasonable rates for 
customers.
    Experience in the United States and abroad has shown that 
successful power markets have certain core features in common. These 
include an independent grid operator; a single transmission tariff; a 
long-term bilateral contract market; an available short-term spot 
market with transparent prices; regional transmission planning; 
locational price signals; transmission rights; and, appropriate 
mitigation rules to protect against the exercise of market power.
    This platform of market features works in hydro-based systems like 
Scandinavia, South America and New Zealand. It works in areas where 
generation may be distant from population centers as well as areas with 
highly networked transmission grids. It works with thermal- and 
stability-limited systems. It respects treaties, contracts, and various 
forms of state regulation. It is essentially what has already been 
developed in both the more mature power markets in the Northeast, mid-
Atlantic, Midwest and Texas, as well as in those markets developing in 
the West and South.
    Importantly, this platform leaves plenty of room for regional 
variation. In our RTO dockets, we concluded that certain functions are 
needed to make wholesale power markets work, but they need not be done 
the same in every part of the country. These functions include, for 
example, transmission planning, resource adequacy, mitigation 
techniques, and RTO governance.
    A platform based on these core features includes a strong customer 
protection plan. It checks generation market power through mitigated 
prices when necessary. It solves transmission market power through 
structural separation between transmission owners and generators. It 
fully protects existing wholesale contracts and native load service. On 
the infrastructure side, it encourages and eases entry of new 
generation into the market, facilitates new transmission construction, 
and promotes demand-side bidding as a check on supplier market power.
    The Commission has engaged in extensive public outreach both prior 
to the issuance of the proposal and since that time. We continue to 
listen to all constituencies in developing final rules. The Commission 
anticipates issuing, and obtaining public comment on, a white paper 
reflecting our reaction to the over 1,000 filed comments and 300+ 
meetings we have held since last August. Due to their necessary 
breadth, the proposed rules have received much attention. Getting these 
rules right, and thus increasing the benefits to customers from 
competitive bulk power markets, is a priority for the Commission.
    Proposed Policy Statement on Rate Incentives for Transmission 
Independence and Expansion--On January 15, 2003, the Commission issued 
a proposed policy statement to allow a higher return on equity when a 
utility participates in an RTO, sells its RTO-operated transmission 
asset to an independent company, or pursues additional measures that 
promote efficient operation and expansion of the transmission grid. 
Under the proposal, a utility's return on equity could be increased by 
50 basis points for joining a Commission-approved RTO, 150 basis points 
for selling RTO-operated transmission assets to an independent company 
and 100 basis points for investing in new transmission facilities found 
appropriate pursuant to an RTO planning process. This proposed policy 
would further the Commission's goal of achieving a robust 
infrastructure for the future and bringing lower prices and cost 
savings to all customers. The proposed policy would help encourage 
needed investment in transmission infrastructure and improve grid 
performance. Comments are due early this month. This policy supports, 
and is consistent with, the transmission tax incentives and other 
language in the proposed legislation.
    Information Filing Requirements--Improving market transparency 
requires detailed reporting on transactions. On April 25, 2002, the 
Commission issued a final rule (Order No. 2001) to enhance public 
access to information on public utility services and sales by requiring 
public utilities to electronically file quarterly reports. This final 
rule is intended to equalize reporting requirements for traditional 
utilities and power marketers, making information more easily available 
to the public and helping to streamline compliance with the filing 
requirements of FPA section 205. The data contained in the new Electric 
Quarterly Report will provide greater price transparency, promote 
competition, enhance confidence in the fairness of the markets and 
provide a better means to detect and discourage discriminatory 
practices.
    Proposed Rulemakings on Standardized Generator Interconnections--
The Commission recently has undertaken two rulemakings to standardize 
agreements and procedures for generators seeking to interconnect and 
participate in the wholesale market. The first applies to large 
generators (i.e., those producing over 20 megawatts) and was the 
subject of proposed rules issued April 24, 2002. The second applies to 
small generators (i.e., those producing no more than 20 megawatts), and 
was the subject of an advanced notice of proposed rulemaking issued 
August 16, 2002. Each rulemaking will produce a set of standard 
generator interconnection procedures, which describe the procedural 
steps for studying and securing a requested interconnection, and a 
standard generator interconnection agreement for use by interconnection 
providers and customers. The Commission expects that these rulemakings 
will help ensure that reliability needs will be met, provide greater 
certainty to generators wishing to participate in the wholesale market, 
and, importantly, shorten the time needed to get a project brought on 
line.
    Policy on Conditioning Public Utilities' Issuances of Securities--
To prevent public utilities from borrowing substantial amounts of money 
and diverting the proceeds to finance non-utility businesses, the 
Commission issued an order on February 21, 2003, announcing a policy 
placing conditions on all new issuances of secured and unsecured debt 
authorized by the Commission under FPA section 204. These conditions 
state, for example, that a public utility seeking authorization to 
issue debt secured by utility assets must use the proceeds of the debt 
for only utility purposes. Similarly, if the assets securing such debt 
are divested or ``spun off,'' the debt must ``follow'' the asset and be 
divested or ``spun off'' as well.
    At its core, the policy ensures that any encumbrance of utility 
assets is used for utility purposes. This policy should ensure that 
future issuances of debt are compatible with the public interest and 
will not impair a public utility's ability to perform its duties and 
provide appropriate ratepayer protection. These concerns also lead me 
to believe that FERC should have authority under the Natural Gas Act 
similar to FPA section 204.

               IV. PENDING CALIFORNIA-RELATED PROCEEDINGS

    In addition to the initiatives described above, there are several 
proceedings related to the Western energy crisis in 2000-01 currently 
pending before the Commission. These proceedings are discussed below.
    On February 13, 2002, in Docket No. PA02-2-000, the Commission 
formally announced a fact-finding investigation into whether any entity 
had manipulated electric energy or natural gas prices in the West since 
January 1, 2000. In conducting this investigation, Commission staff has 
coordinated closely with staff from the Department of Justice, the 
Securities and Exchange Commission, the Commodity Futures Trading 
Commission, and the Department of Labor. On August 13, 2002, Commission 
staff released an initial report of its investigation. Based on the 
staff report, the Commission initiated formal enforcement proceedings 
under FPA Section 206 regarding possible misconduct by a number of 
utilities. These proceedings are pending before administrative law 
judges.
    A public written report dealing with all aspects of this staff 
investigation is on schedule to be released later this month. The 
Commission will consider all relevant evidence from this investigation 
once we receive the final report. The Commission also has set up a 
process which has allowed the parties in the California proceedings to 
conduct discovery on market manipulation in the same time period. 
Parties submitted additional evidence and proposed new and/or modified 
findings of fact on March 3, 2003. Reply submissions are due on March 
20, 2003.
    With respect to the California refund proceeding for calculating 
the amount of overcharges from October 2000 through June 2001, the 
Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) issued his proposed findings in December 
2002. The Commission is currently reviewing the ALJ's proposed 
findings.
    The Commission is also currently reviewing the recommendations and 
proposed findings issued by an ALJ regarding whether rates charged for 
spot market bilateral sales in the Pacific Northwest for the period 
December 2000 through June 2001 were unjust and unreasonable. Also, in 
recent weeks, the Commission has received several decisions by ALJs on 
complaints seeking to modify long-term contracts for the sale of 
wholesale power in California or the West. Finally, the Commission is 
reviewing an ALJ's decision on whether El Paso Natural Gas Company and 
its affiliates exercised market power in order to drive up natural gas 
prices at the California border in 2000-01.
    The Commission will act on all of these matters soon. Then, 
customers can receive all appropriate refunds, utilities can have 
regulatory certainty and all of us can focus on the important goal of 
preventing this from ever happening again.

                V. INITIATIVES IN THE NATURAL GAS MARKET

    As with the electric energy markets, the Commission has launched 
numerous initiatives designed to improve the performance, transparency 
and oversight of the natural gas markets. These initiatives include the 
following.
    Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) Facilities--To help meet the Nation's 
increasing demand for natural gas, the Commission in December 2002 
charted a new course for the treatment of LNG facilities. The 
Commission allowed the Hackberry LNG facility in Lake Charles, 
Louisiana, to provide terminalling services without a FERC tariff and 
rate schedules, similar to the approach used for natural gas production 
facilities. The Commission retains authority over all siting and 
environmental aspects of onshore LNG facilities. We anticipate that the 
new policy will stimulate the development of new LNG terminals by 
accommodating various business models and will ultimately result in 
increased gas supplies in the United States. Since issuing the 
Hackberry decision, the Commission has been in various stages of 
discussions and application processing with about ten companies 
pursuing some 20 different LNG import terminal locations with a total 
potential daily send-out of about 12 Bcf. This amount is at least twice 
the projected capacity of an Alaskan gas pipeline.
    Emergency Reconstruction of Pipelines--The Commission has proposed 
rules on emergency reconstruction of interstate natural gas facilities 
when immediate action is required to restore natural gas service due to 
a sudden, unanticipated natural event or a deliberate effort to disrupt 
natural gas service. The Commission is currently reviewing comments 
received in February 2003.
    Reporting on Natural Gas Data--As part of its fact-finding 
investigation on electric energy and natural gas prices in the West 
since January 1, 2000, Commission staff gathered information that 
raised doubts about the accuracy of information reported in many 
wholesale natural gas price indices. Current industry practice is for 
the trade press to gather price information by polling traders. The 
markets cannot function efficiently without accurate wholesale price 
information. Although the industry and the trade press are now taking 
steps to improve the dependability of the natural gas price indices, it 
is unclear whether these steps are sufficient to restore customer, 
investor and counterparty confidence.
    Quicker Processing of Proposals to Build or Expand Pipelines--The 
Commission has improved the efficiency of its pipeline certificate 
process, and we have a number of initiatives underway to achieve even 
greater streamlining. During the period beginning in January 2001, the 
Commission authorized just under 16 Billion cubic feet per day (Bcfd) 
of new pipeline capacity, raising total daily deliverability to 131 
Bcfd. Of these additions, over 50 percent is earmarked for electric 
generation, with the greatest growth in that sector occurring in the 
Southeast and West. On average, these certificate applications took 
about 200 days to process, a marked improvement over the average turn-
around time of nearly 300 days some years ago.
    While our current inventory of pending projects is relatively low 
compared to the recent past, we anticipate increasing activity in the 
future. In preparation, we are pursuing several streamlining 
initiatives that combine early identification and resolution of issues, 
concurrent consideration by other agencies and increased opportunities 
for stakeholder involvement. One such initiative is the National 
Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) Pre-Filing Process, which entails a 
more interactive NEPA process well in advance of the application being 
filed, with earlier, more direct involvement by FERC staff, other 
agencies and landowners, resulting in an overall time savings to obtain 
a certificate.
    Also, in accordance with the President's National Energy Policy, 
which among other things calls for actions to expedite energy-related 
projects, the Commission and nine other federal agencies (the 
Departments of the Army, Agriculture, Commerce, Energy, the Interior, 
Transportation, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Advisory 
Council on Historic Preservation, and the Council on Environmental 
Quality) in August 2002 signed an interagency agreement, providing that 
the Commission will be the lead agency for environmental review of 
interstate natural gas pipelines under the Natural Gas Act, that there 
will be early interagency communication to determine schedules, 
identify issues, and share information, that alternative routes and 
mitigation measures will be developed jointly, and that necessary 
permits will be issued jointly. The agencies completed an 
implementation plan for the agreement in November 2002, and have 
established a working group, chaired by the Commission, to oversee 
implementation.

           VI. INITIATIVES REGARDING HYDROELECTRIC LICENSING

    The licensing of non-federal hydroelectric projects under Part I of 
the FPA is the Commission's original mission, and still a vital aspect 
of the Commission's efforts to ensure workable, competitive energy 
markets. My fellow Commissioners and I are well aware of the need to 
ensure that our licensing processes are in tune with the need of 
today's markets for regulatory certainty and more efficient 
decisionmaking on this important part of the Nation's energy mix. In 
keeping with these considerations, the Commission on February 20, 2003, 
issued a notice of proposed rulemaking presenting a comprehensive plan 
that will result in more efficient and timely processing of 
hydroelectric licenses while also balancing stakeholder interests and 
improving the quality of decisionmaking.
    The proposal, referred to as the ``integrated'' process, would 
become the Commission's primary licensing process, with the existing 
alternative licensing process (ALP) and the traditional process 
remaining as options for applicants in certain situations.
    The highlights of the proposed rule are:

<bullet> increased assistance by Commission staff to potential 
        applicants and stakeholders during the development of license 
        applications;
<bullet> greater coordination among the Commission and federal and 
        state agencies with mandatory conditioning authority;
<bullet> carrying out the Commission's environmental scoping process in 
        conjunction with the applicant's pre-filing consultation;
<bullet> increased public participation in the pre-filing consultation 
        process;
<bullet> establishing schedules and deadlines for all participants, 
        including Commission staff;
<bullet> development of a Commission-approved study plan by the 
        applicant, with informal resolution to study disagreements, 
        followed by mandatory, binding study dispute resolution, if 
        necessary;
<bullet> elimination of the need for post-application study requests; 
        and
<bullet> creation of a new Commission Tribal Liaison, to be the point 
        of contact for Native Americans' concerns regardless of the 
        proceeding or issue.
    In addition, the traditional licensing process would be modified by 
increasing public participation, and by establishing mandatory, binding 
dispute resolution for necessary studies.
    Before issuing the proposed rule, Commission staff held regional 
forums around the country, as well as drafting sessions in Washington, 
D.C., to discuss the licensing process with stakeholders and to 
collaboratively draft regulatory language. We plan to obtain further 
public input through regional workshops to be held around the country 
in March and April 2003 to discuss stakeholder reaction to the proposed 
rule. A four-day drafting session is scheduled in April in Washington 
to draft language for the final rule.

                 VII. COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT LEGISLATION

    The draft legislation addresses a wide range of energy issues 
confronting our Nation. I will focus on the issues affecting FERC's 
responsibilities. On these issues, the draft legislation takes a good 
approach. I would suggest a few modifications and some additional 
provisions, as described below. If the Committee wishes, I would be 
happy to provide, in writing after the hearing, a detailed technical 
analysis of the legislative language.
    Section 7081, Market Transparency Rules--This section would require 
FERC to issue rules establishing an electronic information system, 
accessible by the public, specifying the availability and price of 
wholesale power and transmission services. I support this section 
because more transparency is needed in energy markets and customers 
should have access to the broadest range of useful market information.
    I note that this section refers to ``markets subject to the 
Commission's jurisdiction,'' but does not explicitly mention natural 
gas markets. I suggest modifying this section to clarify the 
Commission's authority to obtain information on natural gas prices 
(since these are an important factor in wholesale power prices), or 
that a separate section be added to the legislation clarifying FERC's 
authority under the NGA to obtain such information for purposes of 
price discovery.
    Section 7084, Enforcement--This section would significantly 
increase the penalties available under the FPA. I have long supported 
increasing these penalties, and believe the increases proposed here are 
appropriate. I recommend including similar penalties under the NGA.
    Section 7091, Refund Effective Date--This section would eliminate 
the 60-day wait at the beginning of the refund period under the FPA, so 
that refunds would be allowed from the date a complaint is filed, 
instead of only 60 days later. I support this change, and also 
recommend including a similar provision in the NGA.
    Section 7101, Mergers and Other Dispositions--This section would 
repeal FPA section 203, which requires Commission approval of most 
mergers and other dispositions involving public utilities. In light of 
the proposed PUHCA repeal, repealing section 203 without including the 
public interest review standard in another agency's specific duties may 
not be good policy. The Commission deals with the electric industry on 
a daily basis and much more closely than do the federal antitrust 
agencies. Thus, the Commission is better able to identify and remedy 
any harmful effects of mergers and other dispositions and to ensure 
that customers' rates are not adversely affected. Our efforts do not 
duplicate those actually being performed today by other merger 
reviewing agencies. The Commission has used its section 203 authority 
as intended by Congress, and appropriately, to ensure that mergers and 
other dispositions are consistent with the public interest.
    Sections 2001-14, Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline--Over the last 
several years, there has been much renewed interest, in both the 
private and public sectors, in the development of the transportation 
infrastructure needed to bring Alaskan natural gas, including supplies 
from Alaska's North Slope, to markets in the Lower 48 states. The 
importance of Alaskan natural gas supplies is obvious; indeed, it is 
impossible to envision the 30-35 Tcf annual domestic market that the 
Department of Energy has estimated may exist by 2020 without Alaskan 
natural gas. Although there are currently no applications before the 
Commission regarding an Alaska natural gas transportation project, the 
need for Alaskan natural gas in the Lower 48 market is only going to 
increase.
    We will make every effort to process and act upon any applications 
for Alaska gas transportation projects as efficiently as possible, 
working with the applicants, other federal and state agencies, Native 
Americans, shippers, end users, and other interested parties, to ensure 
timely, reasonable decisions. Over the past two years, the Commission 
staff has participated in the Interagency Alaska Natural Gas Task 
Force, along with representatives of the Departments of Energy, State, 
Interior, and Transportation, in order to prepare, to the extent 
possible, for streamlined government action on an application for an 
Alaska gas pipeline.
    I strongly support the goals of this legislation, which provides a 
statutory framework for the expedited approval, construction, and 
initial operation of an Alaska natural gas transportation project. The 
bill helpfully resolves some significant questions with respect to 
potential projects. There are some matters that may benefit from 
additional clarification, such as the extent to which the Commission 
would need to interact with the proposed Federal Coordinator as it 
reviews and acts on any certificate application. I would be happy to 
provide the Committee with more detailed comments on this and other 
provisions of this Subtitle.
    I can assure you that any application ultimately filed with the 
Commission, will be reviewed thoroughly, promptly, and fairly, with the 
public interest firmly in mind, and with a clear understanding of how 
important Alaska natural gas is to our Nation's long-term energy 
security. With respect to the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline project, in 
particular, I would observe that this enormous project is of such 
national significance that Congress may want to consider focused 
financial support in any legislation.

                            VIII. CONCLUSION

    Events of the past three years have demonstrated the critical role 
that energy plays in our Nation's economic well-being. I appreciate the 
opportunity to contribute to your debate on the best ways to ensure 
that this crucial industry continues to support the many demands placed 
on it by our citizens, and I will be happy to answer any questions you 
may have.

    Mr. Barton. Thank the chairman. We have inadvertently 
seated Commissioner Brownell and Commissioner Massey out of 
order. Mr. Massey is actually senior to Mrs. Brownell.
    So we are going to give Mr. Massey an opportunity to speak 
first, if he wishes to. Would you like to speak before 
Commissioner Brownell?
    Mr. Massey. However you would like to handle it, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. Well, you are senior, and this was not 
intentional, we just screwed up, to be honest about it and we 
want--since you are the senior member, we are going to 
recognize you for 5 minutes and then we will go to Mrs. 
Brownell to be the clean up hitter.

               STATEMENT OF HON. WILLIAM L. MASSEY

    Mr. Massey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the 
subcommittee for this opportunity to testify about the 
important energy policy questions that face both this 
subcommittee and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
    There are high prices in energy markets as the much colder 
than normal winter of 2003, lingers, and demand for natural gas 
remains high.
    Natural gas prices in both the production and market areas 
are sharply higher than normal, and unusually volatile. The 
commission must take a hard look at the cause of these dramatic 
price spikes.
    Higher natural gas prices have caused a sharp spike in 
electricity prices as well in a number of markets. These events 
are rippling through the U.S. economy, impacting industrial 
users, businesses and residential consumers.
    In addition, the western energy crisis, coupled with the 
collapse of Enron, have left their wake within the energy 
industry.
    Investor and lender confidence has been shaken by these 
events by a declining national economy, by indictments of 
energy traders, by accounting irregularities, downgrades by 
rating agencies and continuing investigations by the FERC, the 
CFTC, SEC and the Justice Department.
    These investigations are important and necessary and must 
leave no stone unturned. Refunds must be made for customers 
that paid unjust and unreasonable prices.
    And those found to have manipulated the market, should be 
punished. Nevertheless, all of these events have severely 
eroded capital availability for critical infrastructure 
projects, and I am concerned about that.
    In these times it is particularly important for the 
commission to promote clear market rules and structure, 
reasonable and stable regulation of energy transmission and 
comprehensive market monitoring.
    The commission must conduct thorough and forceful 
investigations and oversight to ferret out abuses and our 
remedies must be tough-minded and appropriate.
    In his testimony, Chairman Wood provides a thorough outline 
of the initiatives underway at the commission that are aimed at 
reforming electricity and natural gas markets to ensure just 
and reasonable prices and customer benefits.
    I share his vision of well-functioning markets with 
regulators playing an important role in determining market 
structure, prohibiting discrimination, enforcing transparent 
market rules and engaging in vigilant oversight and monitoring.
    In the electricity title of the draft I agree with the call 
to form regional transmission organizations. The proposal to 
provide the commission with back up authority for transmission 
sighting is an excellent idea.
    I support the authorization to develop an electronic 
information system regarding price and availability of services 
in the market, and the prohibition of round trip trading.
    I urge you to extend these provisions to natural gas 
markets as well. Increasing the level of civil penalties the 
commission may impose is a welcome addition to the tools we 
have to police markets.
    I recommend that the commission be given direct authority 
to mitigate market power in jurisdictional markets. Removing 
the 60 day delay and the refund effective date for complaints 
provides additional customer protection and I support it.
    I cannot support repealing the commission's merger review 
authority under the Federal Power Act. Recent gas price 
volatility is of great concern to me.
    I am deeply concerned about the impact of these high prices 
on customers. The commission would be better able to evaluate 
natural gas price spikes if there were more reliable price 
transparency.
    I would amend section 7081 to extend its information 
availability provisions to natural gas markets. Likewise, I 
would amend the proposed section 7084, to provide the 
commission with authority to impose civil penalties for 
violations of the Natural Gas Act, an authority the commission 
now lacks.
    I fully support measures to facilitate natural gas supply 
projects, such as our light-handed regulation of LNG and 
efforts to streamline processing of natural gas infrastructure 
projects.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I look forward to answering any 
questions.
    [The prepared statement of Hon. William L. Massey follows:]

  Prepared Statement of Hon. William L. Massey, Commissioner, Federal 
                      Energy Regulatory Commission

    Mr. Chairman and members of the Subcommittee on Energy and Air 
Quality, thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony about the 
important energy policy issues facing both this subcommittee and the 
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
    There are high prices in energy markets as the much colder than 
normal winter of 2003 lingers and demand for natural gas remains high. 
Natural gas prices both in the production and market areas are sharply 
higher than normal and unusually volatile. Members of Congress have 
asked the Commission to investigate the cause of these dramatic price 
spikes. Higher natural gas prices have caused a sharp spike in 
electricity prices as well in a number of markets. These events are 
rippling through the U.S. economy, impacting industrial users, 
businesses and residential consumers.
    In addition, the western energy crisis, coupled with the collapse 
of Enron, have left their wake within the energy industry. Investor and 
lender confidence has been shaken by these events, by a declining 
national economy, indictments of energy traders, accounting 
irregularities, downgrades by rating agencies, and continuing 
investigations by the FERC, CFTC, SEC and Justice Department. These 
investigations are important and necessary, and must leave no stone 
unturned. Nevertheless, all of these events have an impact on investor 
and lender confidence and have severely eroded capital availability for 
the energy industry.
    In these times, it is particularly important for the Commission to 
promote clear market rules and structure, reasonable and stable 
regulation of energy transmission, and comprehensive market monitoring. 
The Commission must conduct thorough and forceful investigations and 
oversight to ferret out abuses.
    In his testimony, Chairman Wood provides a thorough outline of the 
initiatives underway at the Commission that are aimed at reforming 
electricity and natural gas markets to ensure just and reasonable 
prices and customer benefits. I would like to applaud Chairman Wood's 
leadership. I share his vision of well functioning markets with 
regulators playing an important role in determining market structure, 
prohibiting discrimination, enforcing transparent market rules, and 
engaging in vigilant oversight and monitoring. In the interest of 
brevity, I would like to associate myself with his excellent testimony.
    I will comment on particular issues raised by Chairman Barton's 
draft legislation and by the subcommittee in its letter of invitation 
to testify.

                         I. ELECTRICITY ISSUES

    The development of competitive efficient wholesale electricity 
markets is a highly desirable goal. This is primarily a federal 
responsibility, and achieving this goal will benefit our nation's 
consumers and economy. There are, however, a number of barriers to the 
creation of robust markets, including grid operation influenced by 
merchant interests and a patchwork of markets and rules governing the 
grid. Almost a third of the grid is not subject directly to the FERC's 
open access and nondiscrimination requirements. Necessary grid 
expansion in not keeping pace with the requirements of robust wholesale 
markets. This means that cheaper power cannot always reach the 
customers who want it. The lack of uniformity in generation 
interconnection standards among regions and utilities poses unnecessary 
barriers to entry by generators that could provide cheaper power for 
consumers. Demand responsiveness could act as a brake on price run ups, 
yet is generally absent from electricity markets. Vibrant markets 
require a reliable trading platform, yet there are no legally 
enforceable reliability standards.
    Ensuring just and reasonable prices must be addressed far 
differently as we move to competitive markets than under the monopoly 
structure. It is more complex now. The basic nature of our regulatory 
tasks is changing. We are moving away from reviewing cost-based prices 
charged by individual sellers and toward ensuring good performance by 
markets.

Transmission infrastructure improvement rulemaking
    Section 7011 of the discussion draft submitted by Chairman Barton 
requires the Commission to adopt rules providing for incentive-based 
and performance-based transmission rates. I support such a policy 
direction. The Commission has already taken a step in this direction 
with our proposed policy on incentive transmission rates that provides 
enhanced returns on equity for transmission assets that are operated 
independently from market participants and for new infrastructure 
investment. Transmission will remain a monopoly service in restructured 
markets and will need to be regulated, but a performance-based rate 
approach, while presenting its own significant challenges, shows 
promise as a way to reward efficient behavior while protecting 
customers.
    Section 7011 also requires the Commission to adopt rules allowing 
participant funding for new transmission investment if it is requested 
by an RTO or other Commission-approved transmission organization. I 
support this policy direction. I have strongly supported the 
participant funding provision in the Commission's Standard Market 
Design proposal. It allows participant funding where there is a 
locational pricing regime in place and the grid is managed by an entity 
that is independent of market participants.

Transmission Siting
    Although the Commission is responsible for well functioning 
electricity markets, it has no authority to site the electric 
transmission facilities that are necessary for such markets to thrive 
and produce consumer benefits. Existing law leaves siting entirely to 
state and local authorities. This contrasts sharply with section 7 of 
the Natural Gas Act, which authorizes the Commission to site and grant 
eminent domain for the construction of interstate gas pipeline 
facilities. Exercising that authority, the Commission balances local 
concerns with the need for new pipeline capacity to support evolving 
markets.
    The transmission grid is the critical superhighway for electricity 
commerce, but it is becoming congested because of the new uses for 
which it was not designed. Transmission expansion has not kept pace 
with changes in the interstate electricity marketplace. Adequate grid 
facilities are essential to robust wholesale power markets. I am 
confident that transmission will be built in sufficient quantities if 
siting authority is rationalized, appropriate price signals and 
independent regional grid operation are put in place, and adequate cost 
recovery mechanisms and risk-based rates of return are allowed.
    Proposed section 7012 provides the Commission with backstop siting 
authority to ensure that the necessary transmission facilities are 
built in areas designated as an ``interstate congestion area'' by the 
Secretary of Energy, and grants authority for states to form interstate 
compacts for regional siting coordination. This provision appears to 
provide appropriate respect for the siting prerogatives of the states 
and recognizes the regional nature of today's electricity markets. The 
provision has my support.

One Set of Transmission Rules
    All interstate transmission should be provided under one set of 
open access rules. That means subjecting the transmission facilities of 
municipal electric agencies, rural cooperatives, the Tennessee Valley 
Authority, and the Power Marketing Administrations to the Commission's 
open access rules. These entities control a substantial share of the 
nation's electricity transmission grid. Their current non-
jurisdictional status has resulted in a patchwork of rules that may 
hinder seamless electricity markets. Markets require an open non-
discriminatory transmission network in order to flourish.
    Section 7021 of the discussion draft would allow the Commission to 
require open access service under a comparability standard by entities 
that are currently not covered under our open access rules. I support 
the thrust of this provision.

Regional Transmission Organizations
    The Commission has made substantial progress in forming the 
Regional Transmission Organizations that are critical to the 
competitive market place. I firmly believe that large RTOs consistent 
with FERC's vision in Order No. 2000 are absolutely essential for the 
smooth functioning of electricity markets. RTOs will eliminate the 
conflicting incentives vertically integrated firms still have in 
providing access. RTOs will streamline interconnection standards and 
help get new generation into the market. RTOs will improve transmission 
pricing, regional planning, congestion management, and produce 
consistent market rules. We know for a fact that resources will trade 
into the market that is most favorable to them. Trade should be based 
on true economics, not the idiosyncracies of differing market rules 
across the region.
    I interpret section 7022 of the discussion draft as a clear 
declaration by the Congress that these institutions are in the public 
interest and should be formed. It is my hope that such a clear message 
from Congress will speed the formation of these critical institutions 
in all regions of the nation. But I believe even stronger action may be 
appropriate. I recommend that the Congress clarify existing law to 
authorize the Commission to require the formation of RTOs and to shape 
their configuration. Well structured Regional Transmission 
Organizations are necessary platforms on which to build efficient 
electricity markets. The full benefits of RTOs to the marketplace will 
not be realized, however, if they do not form in a timely manner, if 
they are not truly independent of merchant interests, or if they are 
not shaped to capture market efficiencies and reliability benefits.

Reliability
    Section 7031 of the discussion draft would provide for an Electric 
Reliability Organization that is independent of market participants, to 
develop and enforce mandatory reliability standards subject to 
Commission oversight. I support this provision. We need mandatory 
reliability standards. Vibrant markets must be based upon a reliable 
trading platform. Yet, under existing law there are no legally 
enforceable reliability standards. The North American Electric 
Reliability Council (NERC) does an excellent job preserving 
reliability, but compliance with its rules is voluntary. A voluntary 
system is likely to break down in a competitive electricity industry. 
Mandatory reliability rules are critical to evolving competitive 
markets.

Demand Responsiveness
    Markets need demand responsiveness to price. This is a standard 
means of ensuring good resource allocation decisions and moderating 
prices in well-functioning markets, but it is generally absent from 
electricity markets. When prices for other commodities get high, 
consumers can usually respond by buying less, thereby acting as a brake 
on price run-ups. Without the ability of end use consumers to respond 
to price, there is virtually no limit on the price suppliers can fetch 
in shortage conditions. Consumers see the exorbitant bill only after 
the fact. This does not make for a well functioning market.
    Instilling demand responsiveness into electricity markets requires 
two conditions: first, significant numbers of customers must be able to 
see prices before they consume, and second, they must have reasonable 
means to adjust consumption in response to those prices. Accomplishing 
both of these on a widespread scale will require technical innovation. 
A modest demand response, however, can make a significant difference in 
moderating price where the supply curve is steep.
    Section 7061 of the discussion draft sets out requirements for 
real-time pricing and time of use metering and communications. I 
support these provisions as necessary first steps toward increasing 
demand responsiveness in electricity markets. I regard these provisions 
as a message from the Congress that instilling a significant measure of 
demand responsiveness into electricity markets is in the public 
interest. I recommend that legislation strongly encourage FERC and 
state commissions to cooperate in designing markets that include demand 
responsiveness. This would help to ensure just and reasonable wholesale 
prices and would be an effective market power mitigation measure.

PURPA purchase obligation
    Section 7062 of the discussion draft would remove the purchase 
obligation on the part of utilities for power from a QF facility if the 
QF has access to independently administered day ahead and real time 
markets, if the utility is a member of an RTO, or if the Commission 
otherwise finds the QF has access to a competitive market for 
electricity. I support the policy direction of this section.

Market transparency rules
    Section 7081 of the discussion draft requires an electronic 
information system, under the Commission's oversight, that provides 
information regarding the availability and price of wholesale energy 
and transmission services. I support this measure as providing 
additional transparency to energy markets. Transparency is absolutely 
necessary for good market decisions and to protect against manipulation 
and other abuses. I recommend that Congress broaden the coverage of 
this section to include natural gas markets as well. Natural gas 
markets would certainly benefit from transparency, and natural gas is 
an increasingly important input to electricity production.
    Section 7081 also prohibits what has come to be known as round trip 
trading. I strongly support this prohibition, and recommend that 
Congress also extend this prohibition to natural gas trading.

Civil Penalties and Enforcement
    Section 7084 of the discussion draft significantly increases the 
penalties available to the Commission. I support this provision. If the 
Commission is to be the ``cop on the beat'' of competitive markets, we 
must have the tools needed to ensure good behavior. Refunds alone are 
not a sufficient deterrent against bad behavior. The consequences of 
engaging in prohibited behavior must be severe enough to act as a 
deterrent.
    I believe additional tools are needed for the Commission to ensure 
that markets are structured so that the benefits of competition will 
inure to consumers. The FERC, with its broad interstate view, must have 
adequate authority to ensure that market power does not squelch the 
very competition we are attempting to facilitate. However, the 
Commission now has only indirect conditioning authority to remedy 
market power. This is clearly inadequate. Therefore, I recommend 
legislation that would give the Commission the direct authority to 
remedy market power in wholesale markets, and also in retail markets if 
asked by a state commission that lacks adequate authority. For example, 
such authority would allow the Commission to order structural remedies 
directly, such as divestiture, needed to mitigate market power.

Refunds
    Section 7091 of the discussion draft would expand the refund 
protection under section 206 of the Federal Power Act by eliminating 
the 60-day delay in the refund effective date. I support this provision 
but would recommend additional protections. As we have seen from past 
experience, when market structure and market rules are flawed, or when 
suppliers act in an anticompetitive manner, electricity prices can 
quickly rise to exorbitant levels. During the time that it takes to 
detect the market flaws or misbehavior and to file a complaint, unjust 
and unreasonable rates are charged. The Federal Power Act states that 
such rates are absolutely unlawful. Yet, the weight of court precedent 
strongly suggest that retroactive refunds are impermissible. I 
recommend clear statutory language that would allow the Commission to 
order refunds for past periods if the rates charged are determined to 
be unjust and unreasonable. Limitations may be appropriate on how far 
back in time the Commission can order refunds.

Review of Mergers
    Section 7101 of the discussion draft repeals the Commission's 
authority to review mergers. I do not support this provision. As we 
strive to move toward competitive markets and light-handed regulation, 
the Commission's ability to remedy market power is increasingly 
important. Market power is likely to exist in the electric industry for 
a while. It is unreasonable to expect an industry that has operated 
under a heavily regulated monopoly structure for 100 years suddenly to 
shed all pockets of market power. An agency such as the FERC with a 
broad interstate view must have adequate authority to ensure that 
market power does not squelch the very competition the Commission is 
attempting to facilitate.
    The Commission's authority over mergers is important. While mergers 
can produce efficiencies, they can also increase both horizontal and 
vertical market power. The Commission is particularly well suited to 
evaluate proposed mergers involving electric utilities. The 
Commission's detailed experience with electricity markets and its 
unique technical expertise can provide critical insights into a 
merger's competitive effects. In addition, the Commission's duty to 
protect the public interest is broader than the focus of the antitrust 
agencies and thus allows us to better protect consumers from other 
possible effects of a merger, such as unreasonable costs. As the 
architect of Order No. 888 and Order No. 2000 (the RTO rule), the 
Commission must retain the authority to condition a merger to ensure 
consistency with broader policy goals. And unlike the antitrust 
agencies, the Commission's merger procedures allow public intervention 
and participation in proceedings critical to the restructuring of this 
vital national industry.
    For these reasons, I would not support any weakening of the 
Commission's merger authority. Indeed, to ensure that mergers do not 
undercut our competitive goals, I recommend that the Commission's 
authority over electricity mergers be strengthened in a number of ways. 
The Commission should be given direct authority to review mergers that 
involve generation facilities. The Commission has been upheld in its 
interpretation of the Federal Power Act as excluding generation 
facilities per se from our direct authority. It is important that all 
significant consolidations in electricity markets be subject to 
Commission review. For the same reason, the Commission should be given 
direct authority to review consolidations involving holding companies.
    I am also concerned that significant vertical mergers can be 
outside of our merger review authority. Under section 203 of the FPA, 
our merger jurisdiction is triggered if there is a change in control of 
jurisdictional assets, such as transmission facilities. Consequently, 
consolidations can lie outside of the Commission's jurisdiction 
depending on the way they are structured. For example, a merger of a 
large fuel supplier and a public utility would not be subject to 
Commission review if the utility acquires the fuel supplier, because 
there would be no change in control of the jurisdictional assets of the 
utility. If the merger transaction were structured the other way, i.e., 
the fuel supplier acquiring the utility, it would be subject to 
Commission review. Such vertical consolidations can have significant 
anticompetitive effects on electricity markets. Those potential adverse 
effects do not depend on how merger transactions are structured, and 
thus our jurisdiction should not depend on how transactions are 
structured. Therefore, I recommend that the Commission be given 
authority to review all consolidations involving electricity market 
participants, however structured.

                         II. NATURAL GAS ISSUES

Gas Price Volatility
    We have been following with great interest and concern the sharply 
higher and volatile natural gas prices over the last couple of weeks. 
The sustained cold weather brought prices at the Henry Hub up to the $4 
to $5 range early in the winter, and prices have risen steadily as the 
winter weather has persisted without much letup. In recent days, there 
have been large price increases that we have not seen in some time. 
Since February 21, prices at the Henry Hub have ranged from a low of 
$6.73 to a high of $18.60 on February 25. It is vitally important that 
the Commission investigate this phenomenon to get a clear understanding 
as to what is driving this volatility and to determine whether these 
price spikes are a dramatic response to normal seasonal cycles, or 
other forces are at work.
    This winter has been one of the coldest in years in the Northeast, 
Mid-Atlantic and Midwest states. By some reports, it has been 29 
percent colder in these regions than last year, and demand has 
increased accordingly. Late winter storage is being drawn down more 
rapidly than was expected, and cold weather has led to short-term 
freeze-offs of some sources of supply. As a result of these factors, a 
couple of major interstate pipelines last week instituted operational 
flow orders, which reduce shippers' contractual rights to draw gas from 
storage. Adding to the anxiety is the fact that the weather experts 
believe that the winter heating season will continue at least for 
several more weeks.
    High natural gas prices have sharply increased the price of 
electricity in wholesale markets. Thus, consumers of both natural gas 
and electricity likely will feel the impact of this price volatility. 
The Commission must investigate the causes of the price run-up. I am 
deeply concerned about the impact of these prices on residential 
consumers, businesses and industrial users.

Adequacy of Natural Gas Supply
    Natural gas exploration and production activity, as reflected in 
the number of gas drilling rigs, has increased over time, and will no 
doubt increase more in response to these powerful price signals. Yet, 
it takes time to develop a gas well--up to 18 months from new drilling 
until gas finally flows to market. This puts more pressure on the 
existing pipeline infrastructure, including storage, to meet winter 
demands.
    The Commission recently announced a new policy of light-handed 
regulation for LNG import facilities. The Commission was persuaded that 
its traditional open access requirement for LNG terminals would stifle 
investment in these critical energy supply projects. Hence, the 
Commission's new policy will allow such projects to be developed on a 
proprietary basis. This regulatory approach represents the prevailing 
view that these terminals are more akin to production facilities than 
to interstate pipeline facilities and thus warrant less regulatory 
scrutiny.

Adequacy of Natural Gas Infrastructure
    The Commission has also taken steps to streamline its approval 
process for new pipeline infrastructure. It is axiomatic that where 
pipeline infrastructure is constrained, prices will rise as capacity 
markets tighten. Basin differential price data lead to the conclusion 
that perhaps several regions of the country are now short of natural 
gas transmission capacity: the Rockies, the New York metropolitan area 
and other parts of the Northeast, the Mid-Atlantic Coast, the Southeast 
and Florida.
    Traditionally, the pipeline industry has responded to price signals 
and contracted with shippers to support capacity expansions, but the 
deteriorating health of the industry and sharply reduced capital 
availability is a cause for concern. I note with concern that there are 
only a few significant pipeline construction applications now pending 
at the Commission. Our Office of Energy Projects tells me that there 
are 11 major pipeline certificate applications pending Commission 
approval, totaling 4.0 Bcf/day in new capacity and covering about 783 
miles of new pipeline. By way of comparison, early in the year 2001, 
the Commission had under consideration project proposals for 7.3 Bcf/
day of new capacity and over 2,200 miles of additional pipeline.
    Clearly, constrained areas are more prone to price spikes and to 
market manipulation than are non-constrained areas. This puts a premium 
on the Commission's ability to process expeditiously applications for 
approval of new infrastructure additions, while balancing the need for 
full participation by affected parties in the NEPA process. Our track 
record is solid and getting better. From 2001 to the present, the 
Commission has certificated 4,814 miles of new pipeline infrastructure, 
with a total capacity of 15.8 Bcf/day. The Commission remains committed 
to responding promptly to facilitate the approval of necessary 
infrastructure projects. A vibrant market demands a solid 
infrastructure foundation.
    The draft legislation contains a major initiative that would 
encourage the development of natural gas supplies in Alaska for 
delivery both in that state and the lower forty-eight states. The 
recent natural gas price spikes underscore the need to attach new 
sources of production. Alaskan gas supplies would bolster our domestic 
resource base and will be an essential part of the nation's energy 
future. Our agency is prepared to process an Alaskan pipeline project 
application expeditiously. I stand ready to consider any proposal or 
proposals that are filed.

Shaken Confidence in Price Discovery Methods
    It is clear that market participants must have timely access to 
accurate information about prevailing prices. Price discovery, the 
ability to access this price information, helps customers determine the 
price they should pay for the service or commodity, helps sellers 
determine and recover their investment, and allocates resources to the 
customers who value them most. Over the last twenty years, the trade 
press has created natural gas price indices through the polling of 
market participants. The quality of the indices depends on the 
integrity of the information collected and the number of active traders 
who report. Accurate and credible price indices for natural gas are the 
foundation for natural gas and electric transactions nationwide. 
Unfortunately, the false reporting of price and volume information has 
shaken confidence in these indices. The potential fallout includes the 
nullification of existing contracts pegged to indices, and the 
reluctance of parties to enter into new index-based contracts.
    Accurate price indices are also required by pipeline tariffs. At a 
January 15 Commission meeting, Commission staff pointed to three areas 
of pipeline tariffs that refer to market price data: cash-out 
provisions, penalties and basis differentials. Most major pipelines 
have cash-out mechanisms that allow them to resolve system imbalances. 
Accurate price information is essential if cash-out mechanisms are to 
account for and minimize pipeline imbalances. The Commission has 
approved some pipeline penalty provisions based on market indices to 
deter shipper misconduct that can threaten system reliability. Finally, 
many negotiated rate transactions peg the transportation rate to the 
basis differentials between two or more price index trading points.
    Given the prevalence of price index information in pipeline tariffs 
and contracts, it is imperative that there be trustworthy indices. As a 
first step, the Commission will probably adopt minimum standards for 
the natural gas price indices used in pipeline tariffs or new 
contracts. We will sponsor a technical conference this spring to 
explore price index issues and various proposed remedies.
    The Commission is also analyzing natural gas price index issues in 
its massive ongoing Western market manipulation investigation. This 
investigation has already found significant manipulation of published 
price indices that were used by traders, pipelines, and power 
generators. These indices also had been used by the Commission in 
establishing a formula for determining refunds of overcharges arising 
from the dysfunctional electric western power markets. FERC staff has 
recommended that the Commission modify the refund formula to eliminate 
any reliance on manipulated indices. Hundreds of millions of dollars, 
perhaps billions of dollars, are at stake in that huge refund 
proceeding. This only underscores that reliable price discovery methods 
are an imperative in well-functioning natural gas and electric markets.
    In addition to developing minimum standards for natural gas price 
indices, some have suggested that the Commission take even more 
aggressive actions. Some have suggested that the Commission gather and 
report price data. I have an open mind about how to achieve price 
transparency and facilitate price discovery. However, it is critical 
that the Commission be prepared to take whatever action is necessary to 
restore confidence in the natural gas price indices that undergird 
natural gas pipeline tariffs and negotiated rate contracts.
    Section 7081 of the discussion draft amends the Federal Power Act 
to promote price transparency. FERC is directed to establish an 
electronic information system. As I said earlier, I fully support this 
provision and recommend that it be modified to apply explicitly to 
natural gas markets as well.

Penalties and Refund Effective Date
    Section 7084 of the discussion draft should be modified to provide 
penalties for prohibited behavior under the Natural Gas Act.
    I also recommend that the Natural Gas Act be amended to include the 
refund effective date provisions of Section 7091 (with the further 
modification I recommended earlier).

                  III. HYDROELECTRIC LICENSING ISSUES

    The Commission has recently proposed a rulemaking to streamline the 
hydroelectric licensing process to provide more efficient decision 
making. A new process, an integrated process, is proposed to facilitate 
increased assistance by Commission staff early in the process and to 
promote greater coordination among federal and state agencies.
    The proposed amendments of section 3001 of the discussion draft 
outline a process to ensure that viable alternative conditions are 
given adequate consideration in the licensing process. These amendments 
are worthy of serious consideration by the subcommittee.
    This concludes my testimony. I stand ready to answer questions and 
to assist the Subcommittee in any way. Thank you for this opportunity 
to testify.

    Mr. Barton. Thank you. Before I recognize Commissioner 
Brownell, Congresswoman Capps has 12 students visiting her from 
Santa Barbara from the Congregation of B'nai B'rith. We want to 
welcome you.
    And if you would like to sit at the lower dais, down here, 
you will improve the intelligence of both sides of the aisle. 
And it will be a little bit easier on your knees.
    Let us welcome the students from Congresswoman Capps' 
Congregation. You may not ask questions, though. As soon as 
they get seated we will recognize Commissioner Brownell. And it 
is okay to sit on the Republican side. You are not going to be 
excommunicated.
    And if you have cameras, feel free to have somebody take 
pictures of you doing this. We now would like to welcome 
Commissioner Brownell. And are you a 5-minute statement or a 6-
minute statement?
    Ms. Brownell. Mr. Chairman, with all due respect, and 
consistent with the inclusionary policy of outreach that the 
FERC has undertaken in the last year, we would actually love to 
hear from the students, because we think that they could add 
value to the discussion.
    Mr. Barton. Well, I wish Commissioner, the phantom 
Commissioner, Mr. Kelliher, were here. He's in confirmation 
purgatory over in the Senate. We wish there were four of you 
here instead of just three.
    Ms. Brownell. And we certainly await his arrival as well.
    Mr. Barton. All right, you are recognize for 5 minutes.

              STATEMENT OF HON. NORA MEAD BROWNELL

    Ms. Brownell. Thank you. I am pleased to be here today, Mr. 
Chairman, Mr. Vice Chairman, committee members, to discuss the 
future of our energy sector in this country.
    I certainly join in my colleagues' statements, but I would 
just like to make a few additions. A couple of weeks ago a 
major analyst from Merrill Lynch had this headline in his 
morning commentary: ``Energy sector better than bad.'' And that 
was supposed to be the good news. Indeed, we have seen over 
$200 billion in market cap loss.
    We see congestion and associated prices increasing. We see 
no real innovation or investment in technology. We see an 
increase in power quality disturbances. Power quality 
disturbances that are having an effect on products and on 
company's ability to compete.
    We see market dysfunction and customers paying huge prices 
that they should not have paid.
    We see increased concerns about fuel supply and 
distribution. The picture is quite stark. There may be no 
visible crisis, but there is a slow and silent erosion of the 
strength of this energy sector in our country.
    And there is a cost, sadly, it is largely hidden. And Mr. 
Boucher, the nicest thing that has been said about us recently 
is that we are imaginative.
    But we need to be more than imaginative. We need to be 
innovative. We need to be committed. And we need to be focused 
and courageous to deal with the crisis that we face today.
    The principles that drew us to initiate the restructuring 
10 years ago still hold true. But sadly, we have learned some 
hard lessons.
    Markets just don't happen, they need guidance, transparency 
and structural change. Markets are vulnerable in transition, we 
need to complete the task.
    Markets must have oversight with swift and certain justice, 
and above all, customers must be confident that their needs 
will be met.
    We have begun to transform ourselves at the FERC, as you 
see in all of our testimony, to address those issues. But I am 
pleased that this bill and the work that will go forward, 
indeed, address critical issues to make markets work.
    It addresses accountability for us, for market 
participants, for the reliability organizations on which we 
rely.
    It addresses economic signals. Economic signals to build 
infrastructure, which we so critically need. Economic signals 
to incent new technologies, including renewable technologies.
    It sends the right economic signals to discipline the 
marketplace. It creates structures that will allow us to manage 
the marketplace more effectively and with greater 
accountability.
    So I look forward to working with you because I think the 
economic and moral imperative is essential. I hope that we can 
address these issues quickly with deliberation, but with 
closure and certainty.
    We need to move forward. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Hon. Nora Mead Brownell 
follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Hon. Nora Mead Brownell, Commissioner, Federal 
                      Energy Regulatory Commission

                            I. INTRODUCTION

    Thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts. Chairman Wood's 
testimony summarizes the full range of initiatives we are undertaking 
at the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), and I fully support 
his comments on those efforts. I would like to offer observations about 
the state of the energy sector in general and about some of the 
initiatives outlined in Chairman Wood's testimony. My comments on these 
initiatives will address how I believe they support the transformation 
of wholesale energy markets for long-term customer benefit and how the 
FERC is making internal reforms to adjust to changes in the market 
place. Finally, with your indulgence, I would like to provide comment 
on particular portions of the discussion draft provided on February 28, 
2003. Of course, I am happy to answer any questions the Subcommittee 
might have.

                     II. STATE OF THE ENERGY SECTOR

    The state of the energy sector in this country is, at best, 
precarious:

<bullet> Power quality disturbances grow--disrupting production lines 
        and calling into question the ability of the energy sector to 
        serve a growing digital economy, adding to customers' costs for 
        goods and services and driving jobs and business from our 
        cities and towns;
<bullet> Customers have a profound lack of confidence in corporate 
        America, public policy makers, and regulators;
<bullet> Lack of meaningful and transparent prices has led to 
        inefficient generator siting decisions, creating access and 
        transmission problems;
<bullet> Increasingly illiquid markets affect forward prices; and
<bullet> Questionable trading and reporting practices continue to 
        surface.
    Moreover, we are experiencing a capital crisis in the energy 
sector. Over $200 billion of market capitalization has been lost. 
Uncertainty in the energy sector generated by the lack of clear, 
understandable, enforceable rules, the California energy crisis, the 
collapse of Enron, allegations of false reporting, criminal 
indictments, the closing of trading operations, and federal 
investigations have all undermined investor confidence. Credit ratings 
have been downgraded, access to capital at reasonable rates has been 
limited or cut-off. The result has been a lack of capital available for 
greatly needed investment in infrastructure to reliably deliver energy 
that this country so desperately needs. The near-term impact of this 
lack of investment is cost to customers in terms of congestion, 
security, and missed opportunity. Longer-term, the lack of investment 
threatens the very future of our economy.
    While the electric and natural gas sectors are intertwined, the 
natural gas sector has fared better. For example, stock prices for 
electric utilities declined over 40 percent in 2002 compared to 25 
percent in natural gas pipelines; electric generators' prices declined 
80 percent compared to a 5 percent increase for oil and gas producers. 
I attribute this to a more mature natural gas market with clear, 
standardized rules. The natural gas marketplace has shown itself to be 
remarkably robust and I believe that the issues facing the natural gas 
market are manageable over time.
    I applaud the efforts of this Committee to address these very 
important and difficult issues and bring together a coherent and 
consistent energy policy for this nation's future. We at FERC are doing 
what we can to address the problems facing us in the energy sector. I 
would like to focus now on three particular initiatives: 1) 
restructuring wholesale electricity markets; 2) improving efficiency in 
processing applications for pipeline and hydroelectric projects; and 3) 
increasing market monitoring.

            III. RESTRUCTURING WHOLESALE ELECTRICITY MARKETS

    The FERC has been working actively to restructure the wholesale 
electricity sector into the vibrant, competitive marketplace that 
customers deserve. As we do so, I have been guided by five core 
principles:
    First, customers must benefit. Restructuring markets toward a 
competitive outcome should be a value-added proposition. We are not 
abandoning what works, we are making it better. That has been the 
competitive advantage of the U.S. economy.
    Second, the FERC must ensure independent operation of the nation's 
transmission highway. Such independence is essential to meeting 
Congress' directive in the Federal Power Act of nondiscriminatory 
access to the interstate grid.
    Third, the FERC must promote the development of a robust and 
reliable infrastructure that supports the dispatch of generation on a 
least-cost basis. Until all wholesale generators can compete fairly on 
an economic basis, customers will continue to be deprived of potential 
savings.
    Fourth, the FERC must ensure transparency in the electricity 
markets. A market cannot run efficiently unless the rules are clear and 
there is adequate opportunity for price discovery. We can't assume this 
without an independent system operator and full access to information
    Fifth, the FERC must ensure adequate customer protection against 
unjust and unreasonable rates. This begins with a well-functioning 
wholesale electricity market and also requires vigilant market 
monitoring at all times and mitigation whenever appropriate.
    My decisions to support consideration of modifications to our 
affiliate rule, creation of the new Office of Market Oversight and 
Investigations, issuance of Order No. 2001 requiring detailed reporting 
on transactions, development of standardized procedures for generator 
interconnections, and aggressive investigation of the causes of the 
Western energy crisis were all in furtherance of these five principles. 
However, I continue to believe that creation of Regional Transmission 
Organizations (RTOs) is the single most effective way of achieving 
these five goals simultaneously.
    RTOs that are fully independent of market participants can ensure 
non-discriminatory operation of the transmission facilities under their 
control. RTOs have FERC-approved market monitors, implement FERC-
approved market mitigation plans, and conduct long-range planning all 
for the protection of customers. RTOs can perform economic dispatch 
over large geographic areas that will ensure the selection of least-
cost generators. Finally, RTOs can offer organized markets and one-stop 
shopping that reduce transaction costs, provide transparent market 
rules and allow the opportunity for price discovery.
    I am pleased to announce that the majority of public utilities now 
seem to recognize the value of RTOs--almost every transmission-owning 
public utility has announced its intention to join a specific RTO. The 
FERC recently granted RTO status to the Midwest ISO and PJM 
Interconnection, and has several other RTO filings pending.
    The standard market design rulemaking has been an invaluable source 
of information as the FERC works through the RTO filings. The wealth of 
comments we have received on the proposed standard market design rule 
has given us a much greater understanding of how to create a commercial 
platform within RTOs that will ensure the maximum benefits for 
customers. Regional differences should and are being accommodated in 
RTOs. Nevertheless, market platforms must be consistent in order to 
ensure equity, eliminate barriers to entry, reduce transaction costs, 
and create an environment where gaming is limited, if not eliminated. 
The platform must also ensure that the most appropriate solution, 
whether transmission, generation or demand-side, is implemented. As I 
continue my work at the FERC on wholesale electricity matters, I commit 
to you that I will retain a focus on the five principles I have 
articulated here.

   IV. IMPROVING EFFICIENCY IN PROCESSING ENERGY PROJECT APPLICATIONS

    The FERC has responsibility for authorizing the construction and 
operation of interstate natural gas pipelines and hydroelectric 
projects. We have been improving our processes for handling project 
applications so that our processes do not impede market development, 
and may in fact advance infrastructure.
    Revisions to the pipeline certification processes have resulted in 
reduced processing time from an average of 273 days in 1995 to 195 days 
today. In 2001, the FERC certificated 16 Bcf per day of new capacity.
    More recently, the FERC, after hearing complaints for years about 
the inefficiency of the licensing process for hydroelectric projects, 
has proposed changes to the hydroelectric licensing regulations. 
Hydroelectric projects are a critical component of this nation's energy 
infrastructure, and inefficiencies in FERC's relicensing process add 
unnecessary costs and uncertainties to the detriment of consumers. The 
proposed rule would create a new process in which the current 
duplicative, sequential environmental analyses conducted separately by 
the license applicant, the FERC, and the other agencies is replaced 
with a single ``integrated'' environmental analysis.
    This proposal was the result of work not only by FERC staff but by 
all stakeholders: individual licensees, small and large from all over 
the country; non-governmental organizations (NGOs), including the 
National Hydropower Association, the Hydropower Reform Coalition, and 
individual environmental and recreation groups; the U.S. Departments of 
the Interior, Agriculture, and Commerce; State agencies; and Indian 
tribes. In fact, the proposed rule draws heavily from proposals 
developed by two very different groups--the National Review Group, a 
coalition of licensees and NGOs, and the Interagency Hydropower 
Committee, a federal interagency working group--and reflects a 
remarkable degree of consensus. We estimate that the proposed rule 
would reduce the average time it takes to complete the licensing 
process by 30 months--cutting down 47 months of preparation and 
processing time to 17 months. Further, we estimate that the proposed 
process would reduce the cost of licensing for a project under 5 
megawatts by $150,000 and for a project greater than 5 megawatts by 
$690,000.

                          V. MARKET MONITORING

    The FERC's other relatively recent initiative has been on market 
monitoring and investigations. Much has been said over the historic 
failure of market monitoring and without revisiting history, I believe 
we now recognize that market monitoring must:

<bullet> Be the responsibility of everyone;
<bullet> Be a continuous proactive process anticipating trends, 
        understanding market dynamics and inter-dependencies;
<bullet> Have dedicated resources;
<bullet> Develop effective ongoing communications with regional market 
        monitors and state commissioners;
<bullet> Clearly understand financial markets and customer needs;
<bullet> Co-ordinate effectively with sister agencies; and
<bullet> Analyze, inquire and investigate.
    I am pleased to report that we have made substantive changes in 
FERC's market monitoring with the reformation of the Office of Market 
Oversight and Investigation (OMOI). OMOI is charged with the above 
objectives and with nearly a full staff complement is well on its way 
toward meeting them. Are we where we would like to be? No, but for 
large portions of the country we are confident we are close. 
Significantly and importantly, these areas include where we have had 
independent system operators, transparency, organized markets, and 
regional monitors. In other areas of the country that lack independent 
grid operators, developed market rules, and independent market monitors 
with access to information, I am less confident of our ability to 
monitor markets for the exercise of transmission or generation market 
power, discriminatory practices or manipulation.
    OMOI is not only gaining experience with monitoring, but also in 
responding to market conditions in a responsible manner. We have 
recently analyzed gas price indices and continue to monitor the 
situation. We will work with industry as they respond to problems with 
gas indices. Not every inquiry calls for an investigation; I believe 
that OMOI should have a panoply of tools in its tool-box to deal with 
different stages and degrees of development.

                    VI. COMMENTS ON DISCUSSION DRAFT

    I appreciate the opportunity to offer the following thoughts on 
specific provisions on the discussion draft.
Section 7101--Repeal of Section 203
    Section 7101 would repeal Section 203 of the Federal Power Act and, 
thus, leave review of mergers and other dispositions of public utility 
facilities to the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade 
Commission. While I support coordination of federal agency review of 
proposed utility mergers to ensure that such reviews are not 
duplicative or overly time-consuming, I do not believe it is 
appropriate to eliminate FERC review. The FERC has knowledge of the 
electric utility industry that the federal antitrust agencies do not, 
and FERC review is necessary to ensure that mergers and other 
dispositions are consistent with the public interest. The FERC has 
years of expertise with Section 203 matters and such matters may affect 
the ability of the FERC to ensure just and reasonable rates and terms 
and conditions of service as required under the Federal Power Act. I 
believe merger reviews must be disciplined and focused. They are not 
shopping opportunities to extract concessions on issues that add cost 
not value.

Title II--Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline
    This title streamlines the FERC's issuance of a certificate of 
public convenience and necessity authorizing the construction of an 
Alaska natural gas transportation by recognizing the need for such a 
project, setting aggressive time lines for the completion of 
environmental reviews, and designating the FERC as lead agency for 
compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act and for 
coordination with and among federal agencies. Ensuring adequate 
pipeline infrastructure to deliver natural gas supplies is critical to 
the security, health and prosperity of this nation. For several years 
now there has been interest in the development of the transportation 
infrastructure needed to bring Alaskan natural gas to markets in the 
lower 48 states, and yet, for many reasons, there have been no requests 
for certification filed with the FERC. I fully support inter-agency 
cooperation and the streamlining of processes where possible and can 
assure you that any applications ultimately filed with the FERC for an 
Alaska natural gas transportation project will be reviewed thoroughly, 
promptly, and fairly with recognition of the importance of Alaska 
natural gas to our nation's long-term energy security.

Title III--Hydroelectric Relicensing
    The discussion draft would provide applicants for hydroelectric 
licenses the opportunity to propose alternatives to the mandatory 
conditions and fishway prescriptions developed by federal resource 
management agencies. The Secretary of such an agency would then be 
required to adopt the alternative if he concluded, based on substantial 
evidence and giving equal consideration to a wide range of factors, 
that the alternative provided adequate protection of natural resources 
and was either less costly or would result in improved electricity 
generation. I believe this provision is one reasonable approach to 
recognizing the expertise of the resource management agencies while 
still ensuring that such agencies perform an appropriate balancing of 
interests when developing mandatory conditions and fishway 
prescriptions, just as the FERC is required to do when developing its 
license conditions.

Section 7011--Transmission Infrastructure Improvement Rulemaking
    This section would require the FERC to develop regulations on 
incentive- and performance-based rates to encourage transmission 
investment. An improved transmission infrastructure is critical to the 
success of this nation's electricity markets. I support incentive- and 
performance-based rates for transmission investment and note that the 
FERC has recently issued a proposal on incentive pricing for 
transmission expansion. This section would also require that the 
regulations provide for participant funding of transmission upgrades 
upon the request of an RTO or other FERC-approved transmission 
organization. I support the concept of participant funding of 
transmission upgrades provided that an independent transmission 
organization, which can ensure nondiscriminatory access and rate 
treatment, is operating and planning expansions of the grid, and this 
provision appears to meet that standard.

Section 7012--Siting of Interstate Electrical Transmission Facilities
    I support granting the FERC backstop authority to site interstate 
transmission lines. As I have stated previously to this Subcommittee, 
state-by-state siting of such transmission superhighways is an 
anachronism that impedes transmission investment and slows transmission 
construction. This section, which grants the FERC such authority to 
site transmission in Department of Energy-designated ``interstate 
congestion areas'' where states have been unable or unwilling to do so, 
is one potential approach to this problem. I also believe new models 
may respond to siting issues in a way that recognizes state concerns 
while accepting the reality that electricity planning and operations 
are regional in nature.

Section 7021--Open Access Transmission by Certain Utilities
    This section would grant the FERC the authority to require all 
transmitting utilities (not just those that constitute ``public 
utilities'' under the Federal Power Act) to offer open access 
transmission service, unless they sell no more than 4 million megawatts 
of electricity per year. I support the intent of this provision to 
ensure a properly functioning and transparent transmission grid, and 
understand the concerns of parties not now subject to open access. We 
must work to ensure that their rights are protected.

Section 7041--Public Utility Holding Company Act (PUHCA)
    I support the repeal of PUHCA. PUHCA was necessary to address 
abuses that existed a half-century ago. However, that statute has not 
only outlived its usefulness, it is actually thwarting needed 
development of our electricity resources by subjecting registered 
utility holding companies to heavy-handed regulation of ordinary 
business activities and to outdated requirements that they operate 
``integrated'' and contiguous systems. One of PUHCA's perverse effects 
is that it causes foreign companies to buy here and U.S. companies to 
invest overseas. Nevertheless, I appreciate the concerns of those, like 
the rural electric cooperatives, who have opposed elimination of 
certain safeguards that PUHCA provides against market power. The FERC 
is aware of the concerns of the cooperatives and of the problems with 
market power in general, and we are engaged in an overhaul of our 
efforts at market monitoring and market power protection. I believe 
that the discussion draft strikes an appropriate balance by replacing 
PUHCA with increased access by the FERC and state regulators to certain 
books and records.

Section 7062--Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act (PURPA)
    I support the draft's prospective elimination of the forced sale 
provision of PURPA. In my view, the discussion draft appropriately 
recognizes the vital role of organized markets in facilitating sales 
while providing appropriate transitions rules to recognize the rights 
and obligations of parties. PURPA was enacted out of concern over 
dependence on oil for electric generation. Now, a quarter of a century 
later, when a gas-fired generator can be on-line in less than two 
years, and many advances are being made in distributed generation, 
PURPA's subsidies for certain types of generation are no longer 
appropriate.

Section 7084--Enforcement
    The FERC must have an expanded role in monitoring for, and 
mitigating, market power abuse. The enabling statutes of the Securities 
and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission 
provide for a range of enforcement measures, such as civil penalties. I 
believe that providing FERC with similar authority would send a 
powerful message to electricity market participants that we take 
violations of the Federal Power Act just as seriously. Therefore, I 
support the draft's increase in the level of penalties available under 
the Federal Power Act.

Section 7091--Refund Effective Date
    I support allowing refunds from the date a complaint is filed, as 
opposed to 60 days after the filing. This proposed change will better 
protect customers.

                            VII. CONCLUSION

    I appreciate the enormous commitment of time, energy, and 
leadership that the Chairman and the other members of this Subcommittee 
have made to address the issues facing our energy markets. I thank you 
for the opportunity to share my thoughts with you, and look forward to 
continuing to work with you on these matters.

    Mr. Barton. Thank you. The Chair is now going to begin the 
questioning period. The Chair wants to announce that the order 
of the questions is in order to seniority as of, when the gavel 
was tapped and in order of appearance after the gavel was 
tapped.
    Now that is kind of confusing, but we checked with both 
staffs and we think we have it properly. If you deferred, you 
get an additional 3 minutes. Some of you only used one or 2 
minutes, so we are going to have a very, separately timed 
question period, which is good.
    So the Chair would recognize himself for 5 minutes, since I 
did take a 5-minute opening statement. Chairman Wood, I am told 
that in the last several weeks, the Commonwealth of Virginia 
passed a State law that prevented a private utility from 
joining an RTO until a date certain.
    Could you comment on that and would you also give us your 
comments on how you think that affects the ability to create 
the RTOs that most people think need to be created?
    Mr. Wood. A little background on that, Chairman Barton. 
There are two large regional transmission organization, one 
that is serving where we are today and then on over to really 
the entire midwest of the country up to Saskatchewan, Manitoba 
down to Oklahoma, Texas panhandle, all the way back over to 
Indiana.
    That is the Midwest Independent System Operator, MISO and 
PJM. The AEP Company, out of Ohio, a 7-State company, of which 
part of it is in Virginia, is really at the cross wires between 
those two RTOs.
    Those RTOs came forward last summer with a plan to 
integrate their markets into one large energy market where a 
customer or a supplier could really have a one-stop shop, kind 
of transparent, uniform approach toward business rules, 
software, a lot of the stuff that we are looking at in the 
standard marketing design, they are moving ahead and doing it 
voluntarily.
    The utilities, the stakeholders, the State commissioners in 
that region are a real model for kind of, you know, working 
together across State boundaries to make this market work and 
deliver significant benefits. The cost benefit study from that 
integrated energy market was quite pronounced. I think 
something, I remember it being north of, let's see, $7 billion 
over the next 10 years.
    That was a cost benefit study done in July of this past 
year. So that was really moving forward to have that integrated 
energy market on the ground and operating by October 2004.
    A lot of time lines to meet, very important. In the past 2 
months this, my new home State legislature passed a bill which 
I do not believe the Governor has yet signed, that would, in 
fact, not allow AEP to join this RTO as it had planned to do 
and as the FERC had already approved it doing back 5 years ago 
when it had a merger condition in its merger with Central 
Southwest from our home State.
    That they made a commitment to joining an RTO, one, exists, 
they joined it. They are moving forward on that. And then the 
State legislature in Virginia passed a bill that basically said 
you can't join that until after July 2004.
    Which is going to really, in fact, make the October 2004, 
day not happen. So that is unfortunate. The other States in the 
area have, you know, been concerned about that, including some 
from some of the different members here have expressed a 
concern to us at the commissioner's meeting last week.
    We are in discussions now trying to determine what is the 
best way to move forward, but it does show how important it is 
that when you do have an interstate grid that is in multiple 
States, and when you have utilities that are spread over 
multiple States, as we have throughout the country, it is very 
important to kind of have a uniform regional approach that, in 
this case, 26 States or 25 States and a couple of provinces are 
moving forward and one who said no and it, in fact, does stop 
it for all 26. So that is a little background on that.
    Mr. Barton. Okay. Chairman Meserve, correct me if I am 
wrong, but nuclear power plants that are already in the grid, 
when we have a price spike like we have had in natural gas the 
last several months, because of the cold winter, do the prices 
that are generated by nuclear power plants for electricity, do 
they go up also?
    Mr. Meserve. Mr. Chairman, we don't regulate the power 
plants in terms of their economic conditions, only their safety 
conditions.
    I believe it varies by the plant as to their economic 
relationship to the grid. Some plants have long term contracts 
and their power goes out at agreed upon rates.
    And others have an opportunity to sell into the market. But 
let me emphasize, this is not an area that is subject----
    Mr. Barton. I know that the commission does not regulate 
it, but what I was hoping you would say is that if we had more 
nuclear power plants, when we have fuel shortages in other 
areas, the nuclear power plants generally maintain their price 
structure because they are regulated at the State level and 
their prices are not allowed to go up. That is what I would 
hope you would say.
    Mr. Meserve. Well, let me say that the regulation does vary 
state-by-state. But let me emphasize that nuclear power plants 
are base load and at the moment the average cost of production 
from nuclear power plants is less than that from coal or from 
natural gas, which are the principal competitors.
    Mr. Barton. That is a better answer. All right. My time is 
expired and I would recognize the gentleman from Virginia for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Boucher. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to each of 
the witnesses for the very informative testimony here today.
    Mr. McSlarrow, let me begin with you. I have a number of 
concerns about the electricity provisions that are contained in 
the draft legislation that has now been circulated, and you 
addressed a number of the matters.
    I was very pleased to read in your prepared testimony that 
the administration does not favor a repeal of the FERC's merger 
review authority.
    I share your opposition to that provision. I am concerned 
that particularly when teamed with a repeal of the Public 
Utility Holding Company Act, which in and of itself will 
generate a large amount of industry consolidation, that this is 
really not a very good time to be taking away this key consumer 
protection by repealing the merger review authority of the 
FERC.
    My view is it is probably going to be more needed in the 
future that it is even today, particularly if this 
comprehensive electricity provision passes and PUHCA is 
repealed.
    I wonder if you would like to take the opportunity to 
comment on the administration's rationale for not supporting 
the repeal of the FERC's merger review authority?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Well, I can hardly put it better than you 
just did. There are really two goals. One, is as you put it, 
consumer protection, and we would like to ensure that someone, 
and FERC has the authority now and has been doing the job, will 
judge mergers on their public interest standard.
    And No. 2, we want to ensure that we can increase 
investment into an industry that is, to put it mildly, ailing. 
And so therefore, we think we ought to repeal PUHCA.
    But as you pointed out, if you are going to repeal PUHCA, 
it is even more important that someone have that kind of 
regulatory oversight.
    Mr. Boucher. Thank you. The second question I have for you 
is on an entirely different topic, but one that you also raised 
during the course of your testimony.
    I share the administration's enthusiasm for the advent of 
commercially available hydrogen-fueled vehicles. And I want to 
applaud the administration for making that one of its 
priorities.
    The big challenge that I think we face in realizing 
commercial availability of fuel cells is the source of 
hydrogen. And I wonder if you could comment to the subcommittee 
this morning on where you see the sources of hydrogen being and 
what specific steps we in the Congress need to take in order to 
make sure there are reliable hydrogen sources so that we can 
achieve this commercial availability?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I would be glad to. The good news is that 
almost everything you can imagine as an energy source is also 
something that can be made to work to produce hydrogen.
    Whether you are talking about renewables, fossil fuels, 
natural gas, coal, nuclear energy. Across the board, we already 
know how you do it and how to produce hydrogen. The trick and 
what the research and development is focused on right now, is 
how to bring the cost down.
    Because, candidly, it is not where it should be in order to 
competitively produce hydrogen. Last week or maybe the week 
before, the President announced a new initiative on a coal 
gasification plant, which we are calling FutureGen.
    And it is a very exciting project that we are hoping to 
have international collaboration on. About a billion dollars 
and it will be constructed over the next 10 years.
    But the idea is to produce or to construct a coal 
gasification facility that will simultaneously produce 
electricity and produce hydrogen.
    And do so in a way where, because of the mechanics of the 
plant, any greenhouses gases, and in particular carbon dioxide, 
come out in a discrete stream that makes it even easier to 
sequester that carbon.
    And so there are huge environmental benefits too, and it 
will allow us, we hope, to really tap into what is our greatest 
natural abundance, energy source, coal.
    Mr. Boucher. Well, thank you very much for that answer. And 
I enthusiastically endorse that proposal and I would love to 
have that plant in my congressional district. We will have some 
discussions, maybe, about that.
    I have a number of questions I want to propound to the 
commissioners from the FERC. And Mr. Chairman, I hope we will 
have a second round during which we can do that.
    Let me, while I have the floor, ask Mr. Meserve a question 
that intrigues me. Last year, when we have representatives of 
the nuclear industry here, there was discussion about the 
possibility of a new generation of nuclear reactors called 
pebble bed reactors.
    I think that there were even plans to build a prototype in 
South Africa. I have not heard much about that lately. Do you 
happen to know whether those plans are still active and whether 
anyone intends to go forward with this new generation of 
facilities that might lead to the first new construction of a 
nuclear plant in the U.S.?
    Mr. Meserve. Sir, I did mention very briefly in my 
testimony that we do have a process for certifying designs, 
advanced designs. And we have one design for which the review 
is underway which is an outgrowth of the existing fleet of 
plants, and six more that are in the discussion phase.
    Some of those are quite radically different designs than 
our current fleet. The pebble bed reactor was one that an 
American company was interested in, but decided not to pursue 
because that company concluded that its mission was different 
and that the pebble bed reactor was not an appropriate business 
line.
    The South Africans are still pursuing the pebble bed idea, 
and have not yet made any final decisions, but there is great 
interest in that reactor.
    Mr. Boucher. And there are designs other than pebble bed 
that are new and different than what we have today?
    Mr. Meserve. Definitely. There are passively safe designs 
that people are pursuing.
    Mr. Boucher. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman's time has expired. The next on 
the list is Congresswoman Wilson of New Mexico. She is in a 
meeting. Then the next would be Mr. Buyer of Indiana for 7 
minutes.
    All right, then on to the next would be, on our side, Mr., 
he is not here? No. Mr. Norwood for 8 minutes. Oh, wait, wait, 
Mr. Whitfield is here.
    Mr. Whitfield, did you reserve at the beginning? So, Mr. 
Whitfield for 8 minutes.
    Mr. Whitfield. Thank you. Mr. Norwood was getting ready to 
take advantage of me. Mr. McSlarrow, I think all of us are very 
much aware that new refineries have not been built in the U.S. 
in some time, and I would like to ask you what do you consider 
the main reasons that new refineries have not been built?
    Mr. McSlarrow. As you point out, the last major refinery 
that was built in this country was built in 1976, in Garyville, 
Louisiana.
    The last major expansion took place in 1983, and that was 
actually the peak of our refinery capacity, about 18.5 million 
barrels a day, and we are under 17 today.
    There are a lot of factors. There is no question that this 
is an industry where a huge capital investment up front is 
required.
    The refining margins are not very great, typically. The 
regulatory regimes that govern refinery operations are 
critically important.
    When the administration did a review about refinery 
capacity, as part of a national energy policy, we discovered 
that most of what we were getting, now this is anecdotal, but 
most of what we were getting from investors and talking through 
how we expand capacity, made very clear that no one was willing 
to step forward for the huge capital costs up front with 
environmental rules that really could, in some ways, cripple 
the ability to expand capacity.
    And so what you have seen over the last, really, 10, 15 
years, is rather than build new plants, there have been 
incremental additions to capacity of existing ones.
    But there is no question that in the future demand is going 
to outstrip our refinery capacity and more and more we are 
going to import, not just crude oil from foreign sources, we 
are going to import increasingly refined products from abroad, 
which is going to be, I think, probably a real challenge.
    Because it is hard enough for our own refineries to figure 
out the boutique fuels problems and all those associated 
challenges.
    And one wonders how the foreign suppliers are going to meet 
that.
    Mr. Whitfield. In your testimony you talked about the fact 
that no grass root facilities are expected to be built. Now, 
were you referring to refineries when you said that?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Whitfield. Okay. Does the Department of Energy have any 
strategic plan or suggestions on ways to provide incentives to 
try to build more refineries?
    Mr. McSlarrow. The, it is not directed at refineries, per 
se. But there is no question that we believe that a more 
sensible regulatory environment, whether it is at the State or 
Federal level, to ensure that we are meeting environmental 
protection goals, principally, is one that at least, as I said 
before, the investors tell us is what they need to see before 
they have the certainty they require before they make the 
investment.
    Now that is an across the board problem. And it affects 
more than just refineries. But that principally is the best way 
for us to move forward. And in fact EPA has made proposals 
along those lines.
    Mr. Whitfield. Okay. I might just make one comment also. 
Kentucky is a relatively large coal State and I think it is 
imperative that when we consider a national energy policy that 
coal play a vital role in that.
    And I know we are going to be taking up maybe clean air 
reauthorization this year, and I think we need to keep that in 
mind.
    I would also say that as a part of the energy bill that 
passed the House and went to conference with the Senate, there 
were provisions in there, through the Department of Energy, 
with grants regarding clean coal technology, which I think we 
need to continue to do.
    And I might add that Congressman Boucher and Shimkus and 
others of us are introducing a bill within the week that would 
provide additional R&D funds for developing newer clean coal 
technology and tax credits for the use of clean coal technology 
in producing electricity.
    I think that it is imperative that we remember that we do 
have over a 200 year supply of coal, and I hope that the 
Department of Energy will certainly keep that in mind as we 
move forward.
    I would also express my concerns, I guess this would be 
relating more to Mr. Wood, about the proposed rule for standard 
market design.
    And in the discussions that I have had with retail 
customers as well as the public utility people in Kentucky--
Kentucky is one of those fortunate States that does have very 
low rates.
    In this proposed SMD rule you are taking away the 
jurisdiction of State regulators and placing it all in 
Washington. And I would like for you to just elaborate briefly 
on why you think that that is the best way to go at this time?
    Mr. Wood. Thank you, Mr. Whitfield. The commission actually 
has done something much lesser than that. And it has, as the 
Federal Power Act allows, the jurisdiction over both 
transmission and interstate commerce and over wholesale sales 
of power.
    And so those two things together really define the energy 
markets. We are not asserting to regulate the retail rates or 
the retail service of customers in any state.
    Quite frankly, our jurisdiction is not even close to that. 
But we do think it is important that all the transmission be 
looked at together so that it can be most efficiently utilized.
    Mr. Whitfield. I was familiar that you were not doing the 
retail, and the transmission is specifically what we are 
concerned about.
    Mr. Wood. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Whitfield. Can you tell me what is wrong with the 
regulatory approach that Kentucky has right now about 
transmission?
    Mr. Wood. I think what we have got, what we envision is 
that each State will continue to regulate as they have done for 
many years.
    That the interstate uses of transmission, which are, the 
electrons don't stop at the border of Virginia or Kentucky or 
any other state. They move in interstate commerce.
    And so what some of the concerns that have happened, as we 
have seen competition try to take root in our country over the 
past 10 years since Congress passed the 1992 Policy Act, is 
that there is a, kind of a second tier class of service.
    You have got the transmission that is used for local 
service being treated one way. And the transmission that is 
being used for service between utilities, neighboring 
utilities, both within a State and across the State boundaries, 
at a growing inferior grade of service.
    And so we are really trying to bring up the second grade, 
not bring down the first grade, but bring up the second grade 
so that transmission service for all can really tie together 
the region.
    I think Kentucky, as you mentioned, and I think as we have 
seen with gas prices over the recent weeks, as Mr. McSlarrow 
testified, coal is going to be an important resource for this 
country for many years to come.
    Mr. Whitfield. But you know we have always maintained that 
the native load electric customers should have the preferential 
use of these transmission systems.
    Your proposed regulation is moving the opposite direction 
of that, and it is a dramatic change.
    Mr. Wood. Well, to be clearer about that from our 
perspective, what we want to do is ensure that that preference 
is maintained through the allocation of the rights to use the 
system on day one.
    Clearly that is something that the State commissions, 
including Mr. Huelsmann, who is chairman of the Kentucky 
commission, and made a clear point to us that they want to make 
sure that the use of that system today is the same as it is 
tomorrow.
    And we don't have an issue with that. I think it is just a 
question of then what happens the day after tomorrow? Will 
there be investment in the grid? Will there be sufficient 
signals being sent to generators to build in the right spot?
    This is an issue we have got more to the south of Kentucky, 
but generators right now are not building in the right spots, 
if they are building at all.
    And really investing in the overall grid, that is the kind 
of platform that we are setting. It is not really to rejumble 
what we have got today, but to take what we have got today and 
set clear rules for going forward so that there are clear 
signals about where investment is needed, where it is not 
needed. Where people need to build.
    Mr. Barton. Okay, the gentleman's time has expired. 
Commissioner Wood has Senate potential. You give great long 
answers. They are good but long. We want to thank our students 
for coming by and hope they gained from it.
    Unlike the rest of us, they get to leave early. As soon as 
the clear the room, we will recognize Mr. Allen. Congresswoman 
Capps, do you want to say anything to your students before they 
exit the premises? Okay. The Chair would recognize the 
gentleman from Maine for 6 minutes.
    Mr. Allen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This question is really 
for Mr. McSlarrow and also Mr. Wood. I understand that ISO New 
England has successfully launched a standard market design on 
March 1.
    And in New England we have really been moving toward a 
market-driven utility system for some years, but it has 
included significant and varied oversight by regulators.
    But what has not seemed to happen is, has not seemed to 
lead to a reduction in the price of electricity. I sat with a 
company yesterday who said the affect of deregulation for them 
in Maine was a 30 percent increase in the price of electricity.
    Can you, first question, can you explain what you think has 
happened, to what extent has the price not gone down and what 
kinds of factors do you think are responsible?
    And then a second question, I will give it to you now, 
unrelated to that. It has to do with the draft bill. And as I 
read the transmission provisions, it seems to say that States 
that say no to a transmission project that the Secretary of 
Energy considers vital to solve interstate congestion areas, 
will lose their right to say no in the future.
    That is it looks as if that section, and I am not sure 
which of you could speak to this, it looks as though that 
section essentially strips States of their right to determine 
where to place transmission lines.
    Two unrelated questions. Either one, however you want to 
begin.
    Mr. McSlarrow. First, on the New England ISO. I don't know 
the specifics about the data, and I would have to get back to 
you on that.
    I will say this. What is generally true in the analyses 
that we have conducted is that competition, wholesale 
competition has led to lower prices, and that is true in every 
region in the country.
    What is also the case, is that in most of the country it 
has been a partial move toward wholesale competition. And so I 
think that the answer is that the successes that we have 
already seen lead us to believe that regional markets, properly 
constructed, ought to lead to lower prices.
    But I don't think that is something that we can make a 
judgment about today. On the siting authority, I believe that 
you are correct.
    The administration has supported the idea of granting FERC 
a last resort back stop authority, as we call it, in those 
cases where the Department of Energy has identified what we 
call national interest bottlenecks.
    And I would imagine there would only be a handful really 
that would rise to that level in the country. And then it would 
establish a process that would look first, and hopefully in 
almost every circumstance, to States and multi-state entities 
working together to figure out the transmission.
    But that if you had a situation at the end of the day, 
after an extended period of time, where a transmission line 
that was a national interest transmission line, that was 
critical to reliability nationally, that FERC would ultimately 
have that authority to site that line.
    As I read the draft it looked very much like that and we 
are very supportive of that principle.
    Mr. Allen. Was that provision inserted to deal with any 
past experience, any problem that you have had?
    Mr. McSlarrow. There are a number of, I can't cite them to 
you today. We did an analysis called the Transmission Grid 
Study, which identified some, and I would be happy to send that 
to your staff.
    Mr. Allen. I would appreciate it. Chairman Wood?
    Mr. Wood. As to the first issue, Mr. Allen, the, I was with 
the Maine commissioners 2 weeks ago, two of them, they are from 
all three parties, so it is a nice balanced commission.
    My general impression is they are pretty pleased with how 
the more competitive market has worked to benefit customers up 
there.
    I think the changes in electric prices may be tied back to 
the fuel that is used. There is certainly some oil-burning 
plants that are mostly now moving over to gas. A tremendous 
amount of new investment in gas-fired plants, which due to the 
fortunate discovery of gas off of Nova Scotia, has made Maine a 
lot like some of the States around the Gulf of Mexico, pretty 
fortunate to be close to.
    But what has resulted is a lot of generation is built 
there. It is trapped behind transmission, so it can't really 
get out. So there are some issues there.
    But that has generally resulted in a pretty glutted market. 
And so your supply is well in excess of your demand there. So I 
think it is driven by the fundamental, the cost of the 
underlying fuel.
    And with oil, of course, at $37 a barrel and gas up high 
due to the cold winter, I do think that I would be surprised if 
a customer saw a bill lower this year than last.
    But I think it would have been true under a regulated 
environment as well. I am not that expert on the, I don't 
really have much more to add on the transmission issue, that 
Kyle didn't already cover.
    So in light of my admonition, I will just be quiet.
    Mr. Allen. Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. Thank you. The gentleman from Georgia. Mr. 
Norwood is recognized for 8 minutes.
    Mr. Norwood. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I want to 
thank you for this hearing. It is critical in my mind that this 
country have a national energy policy and I thank you for your 
discussion draft, first round of the first bill.
    I have to say that I am more than a little peeved that as 
many important things as there are that we need to deal with, 
with a National Energy Bill, I end up coming back every time 
talking about the same thing.
    One of the most contentious parts of the bill, which is the 
electricity title. And it is time to legislatively put that to 
bed, and quit waiting on the Federal Government and the 
executive branch to write rules and regulations.
    Either we do it or they do it. And if we omit anything from 
our bill, they are happy to do it through rule and regulation.
    Let me go to where I always go. Pat, same old subject. 
Incidentally, I noticed your comments on native load that came 
back to Mr. Whitfield.
    You implied, at least, from what you said, you thought that 
was a good thing, and it certainly is State law in many cases 
where a local utility really has to take care of their local 
customers first.
    Be good enough to write me a letter as to why your 
commission keeps referring to that as discrimination. You know, 
that just sort of sets folks up when they first start.
    It appears to me, and I know that you have said to me that 
you have a desire to correct the inefficiencies in order to 
ensure reliability and maximum efficiency across the 
electrician transmission grid.
    You have said that directly to me in our office. And what I 
have concluded over the last year or so, not so much about what 
you have said, but sort of the actions, your actions and the 
committee's actions.
    If I catch on to this at all, it appears to me you want to 
Federalize the transmission grid and control costs because, in 
your view, that is the only way that you are going to ensure 
reliability and maximize efficiency.
    Now I didn't come to that conclusion overnight. This has 
been going on, as you know, for a good while. But that is where 
I think you are, regardless of what is being said.
    That seems to me is to what your commission wants to do. We 
will take over. We can do it best. How can we possibly be 
efficient unless we do it from Washington, and by the way, we 
will control the prices in the process for that.
    Now, those of us from the southeast, that causes us 
problems. And I want to back this up with just a little history 
and see if you can remember some of our previous encounters.
    When we met here in the committee in December 2001, you and 
I had a discussion about, new language to me, supply margin 
assessment, known as SMA. Which basically the purpose of which 
is to force a few companies and mandate a few companies into 
RTOs. Do you remember that carrying on we had in December?
    Mr. Wood. I do.
    Mr. Norwood. You know we weren't on the same page, as you 
may recall. In fact, we disagreed a lot that day. And it seems 
to me that the SMA, this supply margin assessment, has sort of 
disappeared.
    At least it seems to have been pulled back or at least it 
certainly hasn't been implemented. But those of use who are on 
constant alert for what might come from you guys next, know 
that it is still out there.
    I asked you what affect an SMA might have on the electric 
rate of my constituents. And I do have interest in that. I know 
it may surprise you, but I do.
    And you told me that no study had ever been performed to 
determine what affect an SMA would have on our constituents. 
And, I am sure you recall, I took great issue with you on that 
subject.
    Now, stay with me just a minute because I am trying to make 
a point of where we have been. Let us fast forward just a 
little bit to last fall.
    My staff comes to me and says that now the commission has 
decided since they aren't going to use SMAs, that there is a 
notice of proposed rulemaking about an SMD. That reminds me 
that maybe you didn't give up on the SMAs, you just want to 
force everybody into a mandatory RTO.
    Now just so you don't take this personally, because I don't 
want you to, I despise, at every level, heavy handed tactics of 
a Federal agency, which show little or no regard for the 
respect of the legitimate, repeated, over and over, Mr. 
Chairman, repeated concerns of an entire region of the country.
    It doesn't matter to me whether you call this darn thing an 
SMA or a QRP or an SMD, I have got a big problem with you 
trying to affect proposals that affect my electric rates in 
Georgia, my constituents that I don't think are going to be 
very positive at all.
    I think that you can, if you are not very careful, that you 
are going to compromise the reliability of transmission that we 
do have.
    Now I am sorry everybody doesn't have reliable 
transmission. I am sorry everybody doesn't have rates that you 
think they ought to have. But do you know what? We are not 
unhappy about ours.
    And we are going to be real unhappy with anybody who messes 
with the reliability of the rates in the southeast and the 
prices in the southeast.
    Do you agree that southeasterners, from the Carolinas to 
Louisiana, enjoy the delivery of low cost, reliable 
electricity?
    Mr. Wood. Yes, sir, I think it could be lower.
    Mr. Norwood. Say again?
    Mr. Wood. I think it could be lower. There was a study done 
by----
    Mr. Norwood. But do you agree that we already enjoy pretty 
good rates and great reliability?
    Mr. Wood. I think the rates are good and the reliability is 
good, yes, sir.
    Mr. Norwood. Me too. Do you know how many States, State 
commissions and Governors that have opposed your standard 
market design?
    Mr. Wood. Yes, sir, and I have visited with the head of 
that group in Kentucky right after that resolution came out.
    Mr. Norwood. Well, so that means something to you that all 
of them seem to be against that. Mr. Chairman, with unanimous 
consent, I would like to submit this letter of February 21, a 
letter to Chairman Wood from the Southeastern Association of 
Regulatory Utility Commissioners about standard market design.
    Mr. Barton. We would have to show it to the minority, but I 
am sure that they will clear it and we will put it in the 
record.
    Mr. Norwood. I hope they will. I suspect some of them 
would, anyway.
    Mr. Barton. All right.
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    Mr. Norwood. The point here is you are aggravating a pretty 
large section of the country. What specific--what do we got, 27 
second. Pat, we will continue this in round two, if we could.
    Mr. Barton. If the gentleman will yield, Mr. Boucher says 
he has seen the letter and thinks it is a good letter. So 
without objection, it is going to be put in the record.
    Mr. Norwood. Thank you, Mr. Boucher.
    Mr. Boucher. Well, I didn't say it was a good letter. I 
said it was okay to put it in the record. Let me modify that 
comment slightly.
    Mr. Barton. All right.
    Mr. Norwood. That is a long letter, have you read it all? 
Well, it appears to be over. Just try not to forget any of that 
so we can pick right back up.
    Mr. Barton. All right. The Chair recognizes Mr. Waxman for 
5 minutes.
    Mr. Waxman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I listened carefully 
Mr. Norwood's comments and I wanted to indicate that in our 
part of the country we also have some concerns about the SMD, 
and perhaps we can talk this through and work together, because 
I think we share that issue.
    Mr. Norwood. I hope they will highlight this, Henry, we 
have agreed on something.
    Mr. Waxman. Mr. McSlarrow, I would like to ask you about 
Subtitle B of Title V of the majority's draft legislation. This 
provision is entitled Freedom Car and Hydrogen Fuel Program.
    Is it accurate that this is the hydrogen program the 
President spoke of in the State of the Union Address?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Waxman. And the Energy Information Administration's 
annual energy outlook only makes predictions about oil demand 
as far out as 2020. EIA predicts that by 2020, the Nation's oil 
consumption will grow by as much as 9 million barrels per day.
    Is there anything in the President's hydrogen proposal that 
will decrease oil consumption by the U.S. before 2020, and if 
so, by how much?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Yes, there is. Even though, of course, the 
really exciting focus of the hydrogen initiative is on the 
hydrogen fuel cell vehicles themselves.
    The truth is the funding proposal that we have sent 
Congress, that will be $1.7 billion over the next 5 years, 
envisions a need to work on near term technologies.
    Particularly alternative fuel vehicles, hybrid vehicles, 
electric----
    Mr. Waxman. Excuse me, I really want to get very, very 
specific, because I have so little time and a lot of questions.
    Is there anything that you can point to that will decrease 
oil consumption by the U.S. before 2020?
    Mr. McSlarrow. The greater use of hybrid and alternative 
vehicles, which I am saying that we are pushing, would do it.
    We are proposing a tax credit in the President's budget for 
greater use of hybrid and fuel cell vehicles. That will do it.
    Mr. Waxman. The President has said, under his hydrogen 
plan, we can reduce our demand for oil by over 11 million 
barrels per day by the year 2040. You testified to this affect 
as well.
    To put the President's statement in context, how much oil 
does this prediction assume we will consume in 2040?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I will have to get back to you on that.
    Mr. Waxman. Okay, I would like the record held open for 
that. And what CAFE standard does the administration assume is 
in place between now and 2040 in making this projection?
    Mr. McSlarrow. The analysis the EIA has done doesn't assume 
a CAFE standard, but as you know, the NHTSA has actually 
recently proposed an increase in fuel economy for light duty 
trucks.
    Mr. Waxman. So is there an assumption that that would be 
the standard in projecting the----
    Mr. McSlarrow. If it is finalized it will be, but I don't 
think the assumptions that go into it assume a fuel economy 
standard, so hopefully the savings will be even greater.
    Mr. Waxman. So the assumptions assume a CAFE standard at 
the present level?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I believe so.
    Mr. Waxman. The draft legislation states that the program's 
goal is to enable a decision by auto makers no later than the 
year 2015, to offer safe, affordable and technically viable 
hydrogen fuel cell vehicles into commerce.
    I am concerned that under the President's proposal, the 
U.S. would provide hundreds of millions of dollars to the auto 
industry year after year and they could simply decide in 2015, 
that they don't want to make these vehicles.
    Is that accurate? Under the President's proposal could the 
auto makers simply decide that they don't want to produce these 
vehicles. Could oil companies decide they simply don't want to 
install the infrastructure necessary to supply hydrogen?
    Mr. McSlarrow. The truth of the matter is that today these 
companies are spending billions of dollars in investment. Now 
they can always walk away from it, that is true.
    There is no guarantees in any initiative like this. But the 
money that we are spending is on R&D that will have its own 
rewards, with or without the oil or energy or automobile 
companies.
    Mr. Waxman. The taxpayers are going to be putting in 
hundreds of millions of dollars. I would hope there would be 
some guarantee of a return on their investment.
    If Congress had applied this approach to CAFE, the Clean 
Air Act, the Clean Water Act, or other important policies, in 
all likelihood we would never have made the progress we have 
already seen.
    Chairman Wood, I would like to ask you about the Reliant 
transcripts that FERC recently released. These transcripts 
revealed that as early as June 2000, Reliant managers, traders 
and plant operators all worked together to shut down power 
plants in a deliberate effort to increase market prices, and in 
fact, they did increase market prices.
    The transcripts are clearly outrageous. I am concerned that 
FERC has only released 2 days of transcripts when market 
manipulations could have gone on for months or even longer.
    I am also disturbed that Reliant wants to blame the Clean 
Air Act for shutting down their power plants. Will you seek and 
release the rest of Reliant transcripts for 2000 and 2001?
    Mr. Wood. We have, yes, when the filings from the 
California parties came in Monday we began processes to 
declassify all the documents that we have in our investigation, 
and that were provided by the parties.
    Under our rules, that takes a couple of weeks, but yes, 
sir, we will have that out.
    Mr. Waxman. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, my time has 
expired.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman's time has expired. We would 
recognize Mr. Burr for 8 minutes.
    Mr. Burr. Thank you, chairman. Let me take this opportunity 
to welcome all of our panelists. I was in the ante room 
listening to the questions as they came through.
    And when Mr. Norwood asked you, Mr. Wood, about the SMD as 
it related to south, I think you started to respond to him that 
there was a study that was done.
    And in that study there was a scenario that basically said 
that if everything were perfect, including participatory 
funding, that there might be as much as a 1-percent savings to 
those areas in the south.
    And I guess my question to you was, in that answer to him, 
were you also going to say that there were eight scenarios in 
addition to the one that showed no savings or a cost to the 
south, on that same study?
    Mr. Wood. I was actually not going to say that. I think the 
study, the eight scenarios are in fact ones that I think are 
very unlikely to be the scenarios that go forward.
    So the one they modeled, in fact that's a good reason why 
you model, is to find out what market characteristics should we 
have in the south so that customers can get the greatest 
benefit from efficiently dispatched markets.
    Mr. Burr. Well, I am sure everybody should go out and read 
that study, because they may come to a different conclusion as 
to which one of the nine scenarios is in fact closer to the 
reality of what the market place might look like.
    Let me ask you also, I think this was clear and I am not 
sure in your testimony, but certainly in responses to questions 
that I have asked you before.
    Can you ever envision that there is a point in time where 
FERC would ask for expanded jurisdiction on international sites 
that companies, that through mergers, where you would have 
jurisdiction to regulate those international points?
    Mr. Wood. I don't think we would ask for that, sir. I 
think, as you heard, our plate is full. But, you know, there 
may be a move somewhere from the SEC or from the investor 
community to have a regulatory view of that.
    Mr. Burr. But you don't see FERC's expansion overseas to be 
an effort that you are supporting or encouraging and 
suggesting?
    Mr. Wood. I think our expansion of recent months has got me 
in enough hot water, so I think I will leave it at that.
    Mr. Burr. Let me ask Mr. McSlarrow, as DOE. Do you ever see 
a point where the Department of Energy would actually suggest 
that FERC have this jurisdiction outside of the country?
    Mr. McSlarrow. No, I don't.
    Mr. Burr. Would DOE's position on the current merger 
authority of FERC be that it is sufficient and they would not 
expect or ask for further merger authority than the current 
provisions that are provided?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I believe it is sufficient. And, as I 
testified earlier, we would encourage keeping it.
    Mr. Burr. Let me, once again, thank the witnesses for their 
willingness to be here today. It seems like this is always an 
important annual thing for us to get into and I hope that I 
will encourage all members to go back and remember the answers 
and the questions that we have gone through today.
    But I would also encourage those who sit at the witness 
table, to go back and read the questions and the answers and 
let us all remember it for the next 12 months.
    I thank you, once again, and Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Barton. Does the gentleman yield back?
    Mr. Burr. Yes.
    Mr. Barton. Oh, my. Mrs. Capps is recognized for 6 minutes.
    Ms. Capps. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Wood, Chairman 
Wood, I would like to follow up on my colleague, Mr. Waxman's 
query of you regarding the disclosure of information.
    You said that FERC would declassify documents from the 
California parties. And I want to ask are these all the 
documents that FERC has that might show market manipulation?
    And if I could read you just a statement from a local 
newspaper, the Ventura County Star, one of my papers, a 
columnist this morning has a piece under the title, ``A Snake 
Under Every Rock, U.S. Keeps Evidence of Price Gouging 
Secret.''
    Mr. Tim Hurt says. ``Every Californian who pays a utility 
bill has been ripped off. An agency of the Federal Government 
has in its hands evidence that identifies who did it and how. 
For now, however, that evidence remains a secret.'' I was a co-
signer with Mr. Waxman of a letter and to make you understand 
that there are many of us who really do feel our constituents 
are deserving of more information.
    So I want to press for answers to this long, sordid chapter 
in energy history in California that is still being paid for by 
the State.
    And is there more. What can we expect from you?
    Mr. Wood. Well, first of all, since having spent a lot of 
time before this committee, one of the main reasons I was 
interested in this job was to clean up that mess.
    Ms. Capps. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Wood. I think it was a disastrous chapter in energy 
history of recent years and not only hurt your State and a 
number of others out west, particularly.
    Ms. Capps. Yes.
    Mr. Wood. But significantly, about the efficiency and 
workability of markets. The information, there are two kind of 
pots of information I think that are before the commission that 
are both done under a, were information that were collected 
under protective orders.
    One was a process we began a year ago in February 2002, to 
investigate the manipulation in the power markets and in the 
gas markets out west in 2000-2001.
    Much information has been collected in that process, 
including information with other agencies, the Securities and 
Exchange Commission, Department of Justice, CFTC, are the 
principle ones, there are a few others.
    They have been doing joint depositions, etcetera, with 
those agencies and they are pursuing their own remedies that 
they have under their laws. Some of which are ongoing.
    So it is important as we go through our declassification of 
the data that we have collected, which is separate from the 
data that came in Monday, from the California----
    Ms. Capps. Right.
    Mr. Wood. [continuing] there is significant overlap from my 
initial read. It is a lot, but from what I can tell there is a 
lot of overlap.
    But there are some issues that both, that both sets of 
evidence have brought in that don't overlap. It is important 
for us to make sure that on the ongoing prosecutions, 
particularly of a criminal nature, that we make sure that that 
type of information is retained by the Department of Justice, 
for example.
    And that it is not basically put out there yet so that the 
trials are thwarted. Other than that, however, we have begun 
our process that is required under our rules to undo a 
protective order, to contact the parties to let them know this 
specific information is going to be released. To hear back from 
them why they would protest that. In fact, they may not. They 
may want the full story out and hope that they do. And that is 
going through our process, which is relatively abbreviated.
    And I think in the next couple of weeks, 3 weeks, perhaps, 
we will have that from both camps.
    Ms. Capps. And thank you, because now I understand that you 
will let us know, not only what you are going to share, but 
also kind of a time line so that people can expect that, 
granted that in the beginning you needed to protect some of the 
information with interdepartmental issues, but now we can 
expect such and such and such and on a time line.
    But now I have a further question, and that pushes it back. 
In addition to disclosure, and as a part of disclosure, then 
Californians are going to want to know what you are going to do 
with this information and the knowledge of the wrongdoing that 
is there.
    Part of your task, on our behalf, is to gather the data, 
and you certainly have a lot of it. And we now, we have got 
certain phrases that just really hurt as we understand how we 
were manipulated as a state.
    And it is the taxpayers that have been manipulated. FERC 
has an obligation to ensure that rates are just and reasonable.
    And when flagrant abuses just receive a slap on the wrist 
and have to pay a fine, but with the amounts being what they 
are, it is hardly a penalty.
    And these companies are allowed to go right on, it doesn't 
help the confidence that we seek. And also we want redress. I 
mean we have a State with a huge budget problem in California 
now.
    Some of it is other issues, but a lot of it is because of 
the burden that was placed upon the State as a governing 
agency, but also citizens in the abuse of power that these 
companies put upon us.
    Can you be specific about what sanctions you can impose. 
How can we know that FERC really has a regulating arm to it?
    Mr. Wood. Well, we do have, and that is, I think, you have 
probably heard from all three of us, we could use some more 
penalty authority. And the Senator for your State has put that 
forward, as well.
    But we do have some existing remedies which we will pursue 
to the maximum extent that we can.
    Ms. Capps. So you want some guidance from us----
    Mr. Wood. Actually we just need increased authority under 
both the Gas Act and Power Act to have greater penalty 
authority than we do today.
    We can get, we can get the refunds----
    Ms. Capps. And one final question. Oh, I am sorry.
    Mr. Wood. We can get the refunds, we can required 
disgorgement of profits from past activities that violated the 
law or the rules. And we will do that. That is what we are set 
up in the proceeding to go back an identify where violations 
happen and force a disgorgement of the profits from those 
transactions.
    That is the most we can do. We cannot assess additional 
penalties for punitive or of a nature like that. We can, and 
have considered, yanking certificates, basically saying you are 
not in business anymore.
    Ms. Capps. Can you do that?
    Mr. Wood. Yes. And that is certainly----
    Ms. Capps. Will you do that?
    Mr. Wood. We will. If merited by the facts, we will do 
that. We have got, in fact, from our August report, which was 
an interim report to the public, set up, I believe, four or 
five proceedings from parties that we found earlier on that had 
violated the rules.
    And that was one of the remedies we put forth in the trial 
before the Judges was to basically yank or amend significantly 
their certificates for operating.
    But that is, those are really the two. Disgorgement of 
profits, i.e., refunds, or yank the certificates.
    Ms. Capps. And revoking market rates would have helped as 
well.
    Mr. Barton. The gentlelady's time has expired. The Chair 
would recognize the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Shimkus, for 8 
minutes.
    Mr. Shimkus. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I have four different 
items that I want to try to get covered in the time I have 
available.
    First of all, just a point for the Deputy Secretary 
McSlarrow. The Clean Coal Institute at SIU, Carbondale, does a 
tremendous amount of work in clean coal technologies and DOE is 
a major partner in that and I want to encourage you to continue 
in that vein.
    I toured the facility last week and I guess what amazed me 
was the ability to, the initial separation of the coal and the 
microscopic analysis of what is actually good to be used and 
what is not to be good.
    And early separation might address a lot of the problems. 
And also the, I mean there is just a lot of good research done 
there.
    The other thing they brought about was in the hydrogen 
debate, I was on tv with my colleague, Tom Allen, early this 
morning for the chairman. And the people who were on prior to 
it, I think it was Shell Hydrogen.
    And I don't know the automobile maker, but they are 
announcing today at a Shell Gas Station that they are going to 
place a hydrogen fueling pump there and have a hydrogen cars 
in, running around in DC.
    So, this is not a farfetched proposal. This is around the 
corner and we think it really addresses a lot of the concerns. 
Hydrogen cars also need fuel. And fuel will come from a lot of 
different locations.
    There is some neat research, again, going on at SIU 
University, Southern Illinois University at Carbondale at the 
Clean Coal Institute where, of course, coal could be a major, 
the major commodity for hydrogen production.
    So I want to encourage that research and development and 
that partnership with the University. The second thing, well 
another thing, I do appreciate the chairman's draft.
    It moves us forward and we are going to move an energy bill 
and there is some contentious issues. But the chairman is 
showing leadership and we are going to move on it.
    So any comments we can have from all the stakeholders is 
going to be, we are all going to appreciate. This great debate 
on the standard market design I think is important.
    There are transmission constraints across the country. 
Illinois is a perfect example of a State that over produces, 
but because of some transmission issues cannot get the 
overproduced energy to other States.
    A good case study is the power line from Chicago to 
Wisconsin that is, it has been constrained for years. There has 
to be, this is interstate commerce. And it is commerce going 
across State lines.
    So somehow we need to bring the parties together to get 
commerce flowing and there has to be a good cop on the beat. So 
I want to applaud this debate.
    I am looking forward to the white paper in April. And I 
would encourage all the stakeholders to take a good look at 
that.
    Maybe there is less to be feared in that proposal once it 
gets published than what we are hearing right now. So I want to 
encourage that addition.
    Now for Secretary McSlarrow, this is another issue. The 
Department of Energy was sued by environmental groups over the 
Federal Government's failure to meet the goals in EPAct. And I 
have a long, since my memo to Congress, my first bill that I 
passed, signed into law, dealt with EPAct.
    And our ability for alternative fueled vehicles to reduce 
our dependence on foreign oil. A Judge ended up ruling against 
the Federal Government and with the environmental community.
    In essence saying we are not meeting the law requirements. 
The Judge gave DOE dates to which they were supposed to submit 
reports on the progress that the Federal Government was making 
and whether or not to include private and municipal fleets in 
the EPAct program.
    Can you give me an idea of where DOE stands on these 
issues?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Certainly. My recollection is that the 
district court ordered that we produce a notice of proposed 
rulemaking by February 27. We did, under EPAct.
    The determination that was before us was whether or not to 
extend a mandate on fleet requirements to local governments and 
private fleets, or as we did actually choose in the notice of 
proposed rulemaking, to make a determination that that was not 
necessary because in the Department's view doing so would not 
appreciably contribute to the goal of replacement fuel 
vehicles.
    And that should be in the Federal Register today or 
tomorrow.
    Mr. Shimkus. And we will take a look at that. We, I have 
been involved, along with Congressman McCarthy, on the soy 
diesel issue. And again, that first piece of legislation, by 
giving a 50 percent tax credit, really increased the use of 
biodiesel from what was then a 500,000 gallons to almost near 
25 million gallons of use.
    So I think the increase in the use of the product has a 
great affect on the legislation. If we were able to get that 
increase in demand based upon the 50 percent tax credit, do you 
expect that we would have similar numbers if we would move to 
100 percent tax credit, as was debated in the last energy bill, 
and may be addressed in this energy bill somewhere down the 
line?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I am not prepared at this time to say what 
the difference would be between 50 and 100 percent. 
Intuitively, it strikes me that the problem we have is the 
infrastructure and surrounding in terms of availability.
    But as you know, the administration has been very 
supportive and we have enjoyed working with you on promoting 
these kinds of products because we think it is vital that they 
be part of the energy mix in the future.
    Mr. Shimkus. And I would just say, for just the sake of our 
discussions, that the infrastructure needs for biodiesel is 
very limited.
    And we actually have biodiesel pumps now in major gas 
stations and diesel stations across Illinois. The mixing is 
simple. So there is no large capital outlay.
    And we have seen a great use by governmental fleets and the 
like using the tax credit to fuel their vehicles on biodiesel.
    And so I would like you to also look at the benefits on how 
you affect the EPAct problem by the 100 percent credit, as this 
debate moves forward.
    And with that, Mr. Chairman, I have addressed my four 
issues and I yield back the balance of my time, Mr. Chairman. 
Not bad, 45 seconds left.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman yields back his time. The Chair 
would recognize Mr. John of Louisiana for 5 minutes.
    Mr. John. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I said in my opening 
statement, I think that now is really a critical time in this 
country, in this Congress, revolving around homeland security.
    And obviously a huge piece of the puzzle of homeland 
security must be energy security. America is so dependent and 
addicted to fossil fuels.
    So I think we cannot speak about homeland security in the 
same breath or we must speak about it in the same breath with 
energy security.
    So I was listening very intently and curiously to everyone 
on the panel that was talking about natural gas, in one respect 
or another.
    But I repeatedly heard, whether it was from Commissioner 
Brownell, who said it is a slow, silent erosion, or Chairman 
Massey who talked about the reliance and the importance of 
natural gas; its infrastructure, supply and availability.
    The chairman talked about connecting Alaska down to the 
lower 48s with a natural gas pipeline. I believe that should be 
part of this bill.
    And of course the Under Secretary talked extensively about 
natural gas and its importance. But what is curious to me is 
what I said in my opening statement--is that everyone at the 
table is in agreement that increasing the domestic supply of 
natural gas today is where we need to go.
    And therein lies the problem and the hang up that I have. 
We are pursuing opening up ANWR for oil and gas, and 
constructing a pipeline, which I am supporting, have supported, 
and been on record as supporting.
    But I don't understand what makes Alaska so special or a 
silver bullet standpoint, compared to the eastern Gulf of 
Mexico.
    It doesn't make any sense. I think I know the answer to 
that. But the election is over. And I really believe that we 
should look beyond that.
    So I ask Mr. McSlarrow, do you believe that we can get 
natural gas from the eastern Gulf of Mexico into the domestic 
market before we have built a pipeline from Alaska down?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Certainly.
    Mr. John. Yes. So, again, I think I know the answer to that 
and I am going to continue on that road to continue to talk 
about, you know, the huge reserves in the Destin Dome.
    We have an infrastructure and a pipeline that connects into 
Tampa, or is building toward there, to supply natural gas which 
seems to be the fuel of choice in a lot of areas because of its 
environmental friendliness.
    And I am going to continue my quest in making sure that we 
open up the eastern Gulf of Mexico, because, I mean, obviously, 
Louisiana is poised and ready, along with Alabama and 
Mississippi to service that area.
    The infrastructure is there today and I think we are 
missing it as a big part of the big picture. If we know natural 
gas is part of our solution today, and the demand is going to 
be through the roof, in the future, then that has to be part of 
any comprehensive energy plan.
    And we will continue to work on that piece. Second, as a 
plan, we passed an energy bill in the House, as you well know, 
that did not have an electricity title.
    This bill, is a comprehensive energy bill with an 
electricity title, and is a little bit different from previous 
legislation.
    The chairman, Mr. Barton, had a separate electricity title 
last year, that we discussed a little bit in this subcommittee. 
But I am a little bit concerned about this issue. And I am 
slowly educating myself and having to see how it all fits 
together.
    But what I would like Commissioner Wood to respond to is 
the issue Chairman Barton alluded to in Virginia and the 
legislative initiative over there that passed and that is going 
to prohibit an energy company from joining an RTO.
    If we don't continue to work with the States, individual 
States, I think you are going to see legislatures in Mr. 
Norwood's State, from what I heard, Mr. Burr's State, and 
certainly in Louisiana take action.
    We are going to continue to have either legal battles or 
legislative problems and hurdles that we will have to address 
or we are not going to get anywhere.
    So I want to encourage the commission to continue to work 
with the legislatures in those States that have most at risk. 
And I yield the balance of my time.
    Mr. Barton. I share the gentleman's frustration and we will 
work with him on some of those issues. Chairman Meserve of the 
Nuclear Regulatory Commission has an airplane to catch.
    So we are going to release you from duty. Everybody else is 
smiling and saying they wish they had airplanes to catch too. 
But we appreciate your service.
    This is probably the last time we will have you before our 
subcommittee and we wish you the very best in your future 
endeavors.
    Mr. Meserve. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I very much 
appreciate that. I very much enjoyed working with you and the 
committee.
    And I would be very pleased to respond to any questions for 
the record.
    Mr. Barton. We will have questions in writing if members 
who have not yet asked questions, wish to ask you questions.
    Mr. Meserve. Good, thank you.
    Mr. Barton. Thank you.
    Mr. John. May I be recognized, Mr. Chairman?
    Mr. Barton. Mr. John.
    Mr. John. Mr. Chairman, I just have a quick request. Since 
I only, I took up all of my 5 minutes on my own questions, I 
didn't get an opportunity for any of the panelists to answer 
any of my questions.
    Mr. Barton. We noticed that.
    Mr. John. Okay, so I just gently request maybe some time a 
little later on?
    Mr. Barton. I think----
    Mr. John. For the panel, not for me.
    Mr. Barton. [continuing] we are going to do a second round. 
We are going to give them a personal convenience break and then 
do a second round with this group. Mr. Shadegg is recognized 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Shadegg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate you 
holding this hearing. I also very much appreciate the 
attendance of the witnesses.
    Mr. Wood, I want to begin by focusing on an issue that you 
are working on, but I don't know that we are getting anywhere.
    Unlike some of the other questioners here today, I strongly 
favor your efforts, the commission's efforts and the 
President's efforts to move this industry from a monopoly 
structure into a competitive market structure.
    I think that needs to be done and I think that over time it 
will produce dramatic cost savings. I know of no place where 
competition effectively initiated, has not produced cost 
savings.
    Having said that, I guess I must say that at least for me 
in the west, you are making my life difficult. You have managed 
to get my public utility, my investor-owned utility and all of 
the Governors of the west united in their concern about SMD.
    All of them, even though they have diverse interests, are 
saying that SMD does not work. The Western Governors 
Association has written you and said SMD will not work in the 
west.
    Both the IOUs and public utilities in the west have 
expressed to me and I presume to you, and I have seen documents 
that have been sent to you that SMD does not appropriately fit 
in the west.
    I note that it appears, and I think it is pretty well 
acknowledged that the elements of your standard market design 
proposal have been extrapolated largely from the Pennsylvania, 
New Jersey, Maryland area, a very dense market without lengthy 
transmission lines.
    And it seems to me that in their criticism, the western 
Governors have pointed out that Arizona is quite different. I 
also note that your own staff has acknowledged that the 
infrastructure in the west is very different.
    For example, on July 17, of this year, I guess of last 
year, your staff said energy infrastructure in the west, this 
is a quote, is insufficient relative to projected energy 
demand, and additional infrastructure as expansions are needed 
to support a competitive market.
    You said recently at a speech you made within the last few 
weeks, that recognizing the differences, east to west, market 
to market, that perhaps SMD could be, and the words I am 
reading from, phased in regionally rather than requiring 
adoption nationwide at the same time.
    My first question of you is have you heard of Edmund Burke 
and understand his theory on gradualism?
    Mr. Wood. I was an engineering major, so I will say I have 
heard of him, but I can't----
    Mr. Shadegg. Well, he was not an engineering major, he was 
a philosopher. And one of this theories was that in bringing 
about change, particularly social change in society, one ought 
to look at a model of gradualism, making a change gradually.
    And I think I would urge that upon you. I would hate to see 
rejection of SMD bring about the defeat of competition in the 
long run in the energy market.
    When you said that you thought perhaps it could be phased 
in over time, one of my concerns would be, that then raises the 
question, well, would you continue to propose that SMD be 
adopted as the rule for the country and leave it in your 
discretion to decide where it gets phased in, or are you open 
to a proposal under which SMD is adopted for a region of the 
country where it might work well, and other regions of the 
country are left to have it phased in for them at a later point 
in time on a basis other than your discretion?
    Mr. Wood. I think what I meant in that statement that you 
quoted so accurately, was that there could be different time 
tables for different parts of the country to be phased in.
    I think it depends on the underlying nature of the 
infrastructure, what the retail regulatory structure is in the 
markets. Really, where are the markets today.
    So, I mean, when we adopted kind of an October 2004, 
timeframe, at that time all the forming and working regional 
transmission organizations in the country indicated that they 
expected to be there by the end of 2004.
    So we did not feel like that was really a push to do that. 
But, I think there is a realization that we have got to work 
with existing RTOs that are there. The one in Arizona is one we 
have given conditional approval to.
    And the one in the northwest is another. California is 
existing. But we cannot ignore that problem. I mean, as I 
mentioned to Ms. Capps, there was a significant bad event that 
happened out there before we got on the commission, and we 
would be remiss in our duties if we did not take steps to make 
sure that that never happened again.
    Mr. Shadegg. I understand that and I greatly appreciate 
that answer and I think it will be very helpful. Let me ask you 
one other question. A great deal of the concern in the west and 
among our corporation commissioners, who have written you about 
SMD, is they believe they are making progress toward voluntary 
RTOs already.
    One of my questions is what would be objectionable to a 
structure in the west where you had a voluntary RTO and if it 
was not functioning to allow true competition giving FERC the 
authority to impose to, A, investigate it, and B, impose severe 
penalties if in fact that RTO was not effectively promoting 
true competition?
    Mr. Wood. Let me make sure I got that. It was a lot of 
interesting thoughts that I haven't really digested before. The 
voluntary RTO in the southwest is moving forward.
    In fact, the big Salt River project is not under FERC 
jurisdiction anyway. So they have got to voluntarily join. And 
without them and without western, WAPA, it is just not going to 
be an effective grid. That is a big part of the regional grid.
    Mr. Shadegg. SRP is already in, though, they are 
voluntarily in.
    Mr. Wood. And WAPA hopefully will get there. I mean 
fundamentally that has got to be the platform on which it is 
built.
    So I think, as I indicated, we already conditionally 
approved that. What we are really focusing on now is making 
sure the three in the west actually work well together.
    Because the fact there were big dislocations in the market 
design out there led to a lot of the manipulation that we have 
pointed out and that we are reviewing now.
    So that is really the course making sure that what they 
look at in the desert southwest works well with the northwest 
and with the California market.
    So I think we can get there. It is awkward because there is 
no one really in charge out there to make kind of a corrective 
decision. But I think our work with Governor Hull, who is just 
the immediate past President of the Governor's Association out 
there, was a good platform to build on that.
    And I expect that we will continue work through the 
Governors and through the State Commissioners out there----
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman's time----
    Mr. Shadegg. My time has expired. I appreciate the openness 
and I would like to discuss alternatives as we go forward.
    Mr. Wood. I would be glad to.
    Mr. Barton. All right, we are going to recognize Mr. John, 
I mean Mr. Doyle, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Doyle. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. No, no, Mr. Doyle.
    Mr. Doyle. I know we look a lot alike Mr. Chairman, thank 
you. Mr. McSlarrow, welcome. I have a question. It is widely 
recognized in industry that, even in the automotive industry, 
that the path to transportation fuel cell applications is 
through stationary fuel cells.
    And most of the experts that I have talked to tell me that 
there are at least two types of stationary fuel cells, solid 
oxide and molten carbonate, that are commercially deployable in 
the very near future.
    We are talking maybe 2 or 3 years. So my question to you is 
why are we putting so much money, and I don't necessarily have 
a problem that you are putting money into the hydrogen program, 
but why are you putting all this money into that program that 
we are talking about 15 to 20 years from now.
    And at the same time in your 2004, budget, you are cutting 
by over $16 million the line item for the stationary fuel 
cells.
    You know, it seems to me that if we want to get these 
vehicles on the road sooner rather than later, and start saving 
all of this oil that we talk about saving by getting these cars 
on the road, why aren't we putting more resources into the 
technologies that are going to be commercially deployable in 
the next couple of years, rather than picking winners and 
losers.
    You know, I am just curious what your thought is on that?
    Mr. McSlarrow. No, it is a tough question. And the 
interesting thing is it is precisely because things are so 
nearly deployable that we will move money away from that.
    It is a philosophical choice the administration has made. 
And we do it across the board. But we are, as you said, making 
great success from solid oxide fuel cells.
    We think they have a big future in terms of the stationary 
sites. But across the board we have made a commitment to 
investing in long-term R&D where the risks are going to be the 
greatest and potentially the reward will also be the greatest.
    We think that is the appropriate way to direct the R&D. So 
the nearer our technology comes to actually going to 
commercialization, the more likely you are to see that we are 
going to shift resources to another place.
    Mr. Doyle. Listen, I am a great supporter of funding long 
term R&D too, I think that is very important. It just seems to 
me that if the goal here is energy independence, and that seems 
to be, you know, a front burner issue now because of all that 
is going on around the world.
    And, you know, we are getting ready to try to drill oil up 
in Alaska because we have got to be energy independent because 
we are in a crisis right now.
    Why, you know, if we are in a crisis and we can deploy a 
technology that is environmental sound, safe, and doesn't 
pollute and could save us hundreds of millions or barrels of 
oil, and we are 2 to 3 years away from doing that, why are we 
cutting the funding to that?
    It just doesn't make any sense in the world. And I would 
just ask you to go back to DOE and talk with your people there.
    These programs, stationary fuel cells, have been 
historically underfunded. And this is a real area that has 
promise in the next couple of years.
    I mean, heck, this could even happen during the Bush 
Administration. What did I say, 3 years? Maybe not. But it 
could happen soon, and I don't know why the President wouldn't 
want to see something happen on his watch than 15 or 20 years 
down the road when we don't know who is going to be President 
then.
    I understand this philosophy as you get close to 
commercialization, you start to pull the money back. That is 
fine under normal times and when everybody is fat and happy.
    That is not where we are at right now. We are in a crisis 
right now. The President keeps telling the American people we 
are in a crisis, we have to become energy independent so we are 
not being held hostage in the Middle East all the time.
    And I would just ask you, go back to DOE and put some more 
money in these stationary fuel cells. It is just the good, 
right thing to do for the country and we are in a crisis.
    So I want to bring that to your attention and we will leave 
it at that. To the FERC commissioners, welcome. I just have one 
question, and maybe you can all take a shot at that.
    But we know there is strong support at FERC for formation 
of the RTOs, and that a significant portion of the country is 
currently being serviced by these entities.
    One of the concerns I have, as we move into RTOs, is that 
we preserve and in fact enhance the future ability of non-
traditional generation sources easy access to connect to the 
grid through these RTOs.
    For instance, I am thinking of the advances we are making 
in fuel cell technology and the growth of combined heat and 
power systems.
    What steps do we need to take legislatively or do you need 
to do through regulatory action, to ensure that these 
innovative generation systems will be available to 
interconnect.
    I think Commissioner Massey, that in your testimony you 
stated that you think the RTO formation will streamline 
interconnection standards and help get new generation into the 
market.
    When you say this, do you have types of new and developing 
sources in mind? And I would repeat, that any of you that want 
to answer this question, what steps can we take in the future 
to ensure access for these types of generation?
    Mr. Barton. This will have to be your last question.
    Mr. Doyle. You know, I got that right in under the mark.
    Mr. Barton. You all, everybody is really good at right in 
under the buzzer here.
    Mr. Doyle. Don't forget, more money in those stationary 
fuel cells, too.
    Mr. Barton. But at least you asked it to Mr. Massey, and I 
know he will give a shorter answer than Chairman Wood would 
have given. He says the commission shares your goal.
    Mr. Doyle. It is a right wing conspiracy, Massey. There you 
go. Give this guy a microphone.
    Mr. Massey. I am not sure, oh, this one is working. 
Actually the standard market design is also aimed at 
interconnecting and providing a market for the kinds of 
resources you are talking about with a day ahead market and 
locational marginal pricing, which the distributed generation 
organizations and distributed generators strongly support.
    No. 2, we have an interconnection rulemaking underway which 
would streamline the interconnection processes and rules for 
small generators.
    And we hope to finalize that soon. And I also believe that 
the RTOs will streamline interconnection because they won't 
have any incentive to delay the interconnection process.
    I believe that they will seek to interconnect these 
generators as quickly as possible.
    Ms. Brownell. Can I just add something because Mr. Doyle 
and I come from the same State where we had an ISO, now an RTO.
    And, in fact, what we saw was the introduction of new 
technologies because market forces could speak, investors knew 
that they had a fair shot at getting interconnected, and 
customers expressed, both at the wholesale and the retail 
level, some choice in being innovative.
    We saw the growth of wind farms in Pennsylvania. So I think 
that is a classic working laboratory, albeit, perhaps, based on 
regional differences, the very fact that there are wholesale 
markets where choices can be expressed and investors can have 
confidence in the equity of the rules, will attract just the 
very kinds of innovation that you are talking about. And has. 
We know that.
    Mr. Barton. All right, the gentleman's time has expired. 
The Chair recognizes the gentlelady from New Mexico, Mrs. 
Wilson, for 8 minutes.
    Mrs. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wanted to thank all 
of you for joining us today. I am also one of those that 
believes we need a balanced long term energy policy for the 
country that includes both increases in production and an 
emphasis on conservation and new technologies.
    There are some things that I wanted to focus on as far as 
questions are concerned. I wanted to associate myself with Mr. 
Shadegg's comments about the standard market design, as a 
western legislator.
    And Mr. Wood, I wonder if you could expand a little bit on 
which elements of this standard market design are most 
important to you, so that we can figure out how we can work 
with you to alter the approach that FERC is taking here?
    Mr. Wood. Actually, let me see if I can make that simple, 
because I did put that in my testimony, Representative Wilson.
    The, and I will just call reference to that, if you want to 
look it up later. On Page 7 at the bottom. But I will just go 
in those, independent grid operator, single tariff. In other 
words, everybody plays by the same rule.
    A long term bilateral contract market, which is not 
imposed, it just is what it is. A voluntary short term spot 
market with transparency.
    Regional transmission planning, so it is bigger than just 
one utility looking after its plan. Locational price signals 
and transmission, basically property rights, so people have a 
defined property right.
    And appropriate mitigation so that you don't have repeats 
of what happened out west. Those would be the eight, kind of 
the core eight that I have been talking about in recent 
public----
    Mrs. Wilson. Of your core eight, which ones are the core of 
the core eight. I mean that is a pretty long list. What is the 
most important to you? What are the top things we are talking 
about here?
    Mr. Wood. The independent operator, which is the RTO, which 
is what has been proposed in your home state. The spot markets.
    Mrs. Wilson. Okay.
    Mr. Wood. The transmission rights.
    Mrs. Wilson. That is three.
    Mr. Wood. And the market monitoring.
    Mrs. Wilson. Thank you. Mr. McSlarrow, I wonder if you 
could summarize the position of the Department of Energy and 
efforts you have underway to reinvigorate the nuclear power 
generation capacity in this country? And I wonder if you could 
expand on that a little.
    Mr. McSlarrow. I would be glad to. As you know, nuclear 
energy provides about 20 percent of our electricity generation.
    From the President's National Energy Plan forward, we have 
made very clear working with you and others that we believe 
that nuclear energy is important and has to be part of the 
energy mix for the future.
    Now we are approaching that several different ways, because 
there is no question that nuclear energy brings with it its own 
challenges.
    One of those, obviously, is what do you do about nuclear 
waste. Now Congress has answered that and moved us down the 
road a good bit by the suitability and determination and then 
the selection of Yucca Mountain.
    And we are going to have to move forward with the license 
application. Another is what does it take to convince those 
people, investors, principally, to front the capital necessary 
to build these kinds of projects so that we don't have the kind 
of horrific examples with Shoreham and WAPA and other classic 
cases that happened in the last 30 years.
    And so we are working with the NRC and Chairman Meserve to 
move forward with what we call early site permitting processes 
designed to speed up and provide more certainty with the 
regulatory process.
    In addition, we are trying to focus on the future of 
nuclear energy in terms of advanced fuel cycle and advanced 
reactor concepts.
    And I know you are personally very familiar with all of 
this, but briefly, one of the things we are doing is a 
collaboration called Generation IV, which is a collaboration 
with nine other foreign countries on future reactor types.
    And then, most recently in the 2004 budget request from the 
President, we have asked for $63 million for a program we call 
advanced fuel cycle initiatives.
    And that is designed to produce technology that will allow 
us to reduce the waste in the first instance, reduce its 
toxicity and also to make any of the waste from nuclear energy 
more proliferation resistant.
    And so if you attack all of those things, waste, 
proliferation, investor certainty, we believe you can get to a 
point whereby 2010, which is another program we have, we can 
actually build our first nuclear plant in a long time.
    Because, as I said, it is, we believe it is vital for our 
future.
    Mrs. Wilson. Thank you. Mr. Wood, I have a question about 
the gas price indices. As you know, there has been recent 
information that the data that is given by the companies that 
do submit data is false or manipulated.
    And there are companies that rely on those indices in their 
contracts to set prices, and I think you also use them for some 
pipeline tariffs.
    Mr. Wood. Yes, ma'am.
    Mrs. Wilson. What is the solution to this? What are you 
looking at for getting a more reliable index or what are your 
answers?
    Mr. Wood. We have had a couple of workshops lately focused 
on actually other issues and this issue has crept into it as 
well.
    We got a report from the Committee of Chief Risk Officers, 
which is a group of energy industry, you know, executives that 
were trying to figure out the best way to get past the mess 
that the financial books are in right now.
    And, among other things, looking at accounting fixes. But 
one of the issues that they have focused on and proposed some 
solutions to last week, was the gas index and how that ought to 
be dealt with.
    On the other hand, the current providers of those indices 
are a number trade journals, publications. They have also 
proposed revisions to their own collection methodologies.
    At the end of the day, though, there is a question. If 
everybody doesn't have to play, in providing data, how do you 
know you are really getting the right universe of information 
to report an accurate price.
    You know, by and large everybody that wants to trade AT&T 
stock, trades it through the New York Stock Exchange or one of 
the publicly traded exchanges and you have got that range and 
that average on the information from everybody.
    We have nothing like that in the gas industry. We have got 
more like that in the electric industry, but it is pretty new. 
It is something that we just installed last year.
    We don't have authority to do this fix on the gas side. We 
are going to have a conference, we have announced that we are 
doing one in April, once we get past all the California dockets 
and the important things we have to resolve there, to focus on 
this answer.
    So if I could maybe beg off a month and give you a good 
answer after we hear from the industry what, and the parties 
and the customers, what is really the smart thing to do.
    But it needs probably a little bit more attention.
    Mrs. Wilson. Okay, thank you. And finally, Mr. McSlarrow, 
and this is not something you can probably answer here, but I 
would like to see the answer probably as a follow up to our 
discussion here today.
    I understand the department is changing its criteria for 
the EnergyStar windows program. And I wonder if the department 
could provide me with the criteria the department will be using 
as it makes a selection between the two proposals.
    And if you could take that back and get us an answer, I 
would appreciate it.
    Mr. McSlarrow. I would be glad to.
    Mrs. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. Mr. Markey, you are recognized now.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. For 4 minutes and 1 more minute to go over.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First I would like to 
congratulate the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. They may not 
have an emergency evacuation plan for around nuclear power 
plants, but the definitely had one to get out of this committee 
to escape the full questioning and I want to congratulate them. 
Mr. McSlarrow----
    Mr. McSlarrow. They left me holding the bag.
    Mr. Markey. You have got the cleanest face here, Mr. 
McSlarrow. Today's Washington Post reports that some in the 
administration, as well as some in South Korea and Japan, have 
decided to give up on trying to stop North Korea from getting 
nuclear weapons.
    Except the fact that they are definitely going to have 
dozens of nuclear weapons instead of possibly having one or 
two, and focus instead on trying to prevent North Korea from 
transferring nuclear technology to other countries.
    Mr. McSlarrow, I received a letter from Secretary Abraham 
yesterday, responding to a letter which I sent him in October.
    In this letter the Secretary acknowledged that in May 2001, 
he extended authorization for 5 years to Westinghouse to 
transfer nuclear technology to North Korea. This is in May 
2001.
    He reveals in the letter that, ``to date approximately 
3,200 technical documents have been reviewed for export control 
concerns. Of these, roughly 3,100 were approved for release to 
North Korea, with the stipulation that they only be transferred 
when needed and the balance denied.
    ``Roughly 300 documents have been transferred to North 
Korea.'' The Secretary then goes on to say, again, ``recent 
actions taken by North Korea clearly violate its international 
non-proliferation obligations.''
    The administration is now considering appropriate courses 
of action, possibly to include suspension or revocation of the 
May 2001 Bush Administration authorization to transfer nuclear 
technology to North Korea.
    First, Mr. McSlarrow, how long have you been considering 
the cancellation of this nuclear agreement between the Bush 
Administration and North Korea?
    Mr. McSlarrow. The--I can't give you a precise date. It is 
as long as everybody is aware by reading the papers when this 
crisis first erupted on the front pages is about when 
discussion took place within the administration as to what the 
appropriate steps are.
    And we are trying to pursue this through multilateral, 
diplomatic negotiations.
    Mr. Markey. So did you begin reconsideration of this 
agreement immediately after learning of the secret or 
confirmation by the North Koreans of their secret nuclear 
weapons program?
    Mr. McSlarrow. We did. But there is also less there than 
meets the eye Congressman. I mean this is not nuclear 
technology in the sense that most people would understand it.
    This is licensing and safety procedures. We have always 
followed a policy of not transferring nuclear technology and we 
are following that policy and we won't make a----
    Mr. Markey. But this is an agreement to transfer to two 
nuclear power reactors to North Korea.
    Mr. McSlarrow. Correct.
    Mr. Markey. And my question is why haven't you already 
revoked the authorization to sell two nuclear power plants to 
North Korea? What are you waiting for?
    Mr. McSlarrow. We are waiting for, to allow the process to 
unfold.
    Mr. Markey. What else do they have to do before you would 
revoke the sale of two nuclear power plants to a homicidal 
sociopath?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Well, there is not transfer taking place 
right now, so revoking it or suspending is irrelevant to that 
point.
    What is relevant is the Secretary of State is trying to 
pursue this diplomatically and I am not going to say, at least 
in an open session, of what the steps are----
    Mr. Markey. I don't think, no, the Secretary of State is 
not advancing this diplomatically. The Secretary of State has 
yet to take this to the United Nations. It is 6 months.
    The Chinese and the Japanese and the South Koreans are 
basically holding our coat, you know, while we do this alone. 
And they have not done anything diplomatically. What is holding 
up the Department of Energy from canceling this agreement, Mr. 
McSlarrow?
    Mr. McSlarrow. We are not going to make a decision without 
consulting with the rest of the administration. This is a very 
delicate issue with North Korea.
    Mr. Markey. This is very----
    Mr. McSlarrow. As I know you are very well aware.
    Mr. Markey. This is very scary.
    Mr. McSlarrow. We did actually go to the United Nations. We 
asked the International Atomic Energy Agency to go to the 
United Nations Security Council, which they did.
    They referred it to experts. But we are pursuing it in 
multilateral ways.
    Mr. Markey. I think you are holding this up to reserve the 
right to still transfer the two nuclear power plants to North 
Korea. That is what I think the Bush Administration is going to 
do.
    I think if this was happening in Iraq, and you were still 
considering sending two nuclear power plants to Saddam Hussein, 
you would charge those who supported it with appeasement.
    I am not saying that here, but what I am saying is that 
this is a very serious issue. It is sending the wrong signal 
around the world that we are not, with all this evidence about 
Kim Jong-il, not just canceling these two nuclear power plants.
    And I don't care if Westinghouse wants it, I don't care who 
wants it. There is something more important than private 
commerce. And it should just be ended.
    And we should square up our policy in North Korea with 
Iraq, or else the rest of the world is going to think that we 
are hypocritical on this nuclear issue.
    And it is just time for us to end it, once and for all. And 
Bush Administration has to take the lead now.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman's time--I agree with the 
gentleman from Massachusetts. I want to associate myself with 
what you said. I will give the Deputy Secretary a chance to 
respond and then we are going to go Mr. Otter.
    Mr. McSlarrow. It is a factual dispute. When this first 
erupted and news of what we found out about the uranium 
enrichment program took place we halted the oil shipments to 
North Korea. No meaningful work is being done on the light 
water reactors.
    You can quibble with whether or not the agreed frame work 
that was agreed to by the Clinton Administration was good 
policy or not.
    The fact is when we found out what was going on in North 
Korea, things have changed, nothing is happening except a 
diplomatic initiative to figure out a resolution.
    And we are not at the end of that process yet.
    Mr. Markey. Does the State Department oppose cancellation?
    Mr. McSlarrow. No decision has been made on that.
    Mr. Markey. They don't oppose cancellation?
    Mr. McSlarrow. No decision has been made.
    Mr. Barton. We are going to have to continue this at a 
later--we have got two more members on the Republican side. We 
have got a series of three votes that are going to start in the 
next 20 minutes.
    I am going to ask these two gentleman to do their questions 
and then I am going to give the panel a chance to have a very 
brief personal convenience break.
    We will start a second round if we can start it before the 
series of votes. But if we have to go vote, then I am going to 
have to release the panel, because we won't be back over here 
until after 2 o'clock, and we have an entire second panel with 
seven witnesses.
    So, I know that is a little convoluted. If we are quick, we 
can get some second questions in, if these two gentleman ask 
their questions in 5 minutes or less.
    I will recognize Mr. Otter for 5 minutes and then Mr. Issa 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Otter. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate 
Mr. McSlarrow and the commission for being here today and 
responding to our inquiry.
    I would like to get back to the genesis which provided the 
opportunity, I guess, the reasons for us to be here today. And 
let us go back to the energy crisis of 2000.
    And primarily, where it really focused, the greatest 
distortion was on the west coast, the southwest coast, if you 
will, which caused ripples everywhere else.
    Coming from the pacific northwest, I saw some things 
happening in the lower southwest that were--I can say 
California--thank you, Mr. Issa.
    The lower southwest that were very disturbing because they 
were running under the guise of deregulation. And, in fact, 
although I am new to this committee, I am not new to the issue, 
because we held several hearings in the Government Reform 
Committee over regulatory agencies.
    And what we found was basically that California had 
released the wholesale price but set the retail price. And then 
were alarmed or disturbed that there wasn't any conservation in 
the process.
    Had they released, do either one of you gentleman or 
anybody on the panel, know of any study that was conducted by 
either the Department of Energy or FERC, to find out how much 
conservation would have in deed taken place had the market 
place allowed to work its magic and floated to a level which 
would have got a certain amount of conservation.
    And how much conservation would of we in fact gotten in 
California?
    Mr. Wood. It wasn't a FERC-initiated study, but the 
subsequent summer which was, of 2001, which is when California 
did implement a number of conservation measures, actually is a 
number of non-governmental types were reviewing that.
    But I think the data are pretty clear. I mean if there is a 
clear price signal in basically either a carrot or a stick, but 
one of them, that there is a pretty clear response. A flat rate 
clearly I think your point is correct.
    The flat rate just continuing as usual does not send a 
signal to a customer as my natural gas bill sent a signal to me 
last night to really watch and conserve and cut down the 
thermostat or up as it may be.
    Mr. Otter. Well, one of the concerns, obviously, that I 
have is how much additional information, or I guess I should 
say regulatory authority that FERC is asking for through either 
your own agency or through the Department of Energy.
    And it seems like we are asking to override the States. We 
are asking to override regional producers, investor-owned 
producers of energy.
    We are asking to even municipal energy producers. And yet, 
we haven't gone back and said we are never going to engage in 
this kind of market manipulation.
    If there was ever any serious market manipulation that was 
engaged in, as far as I am concerned, the reason we gave relief 
to those who may have engaged in that later on was the fact 
that we released the wholesale price and set the retail price, 
therefore allowing, not allowing the market place itself to 
work.
    But I notice that you didn't ask for any regulatory 
authority over allowing folks to do that, which I think was the 
very genesis of the problem in the first place.
    Let me just run through several very serious questions that 
we would have in the pacific northwest and in particular Idaho.
    Obviously the transmission contracts under the transmission 
authority and organizations that you are asking for, concern me 
because it appears that all of our long term transmission 
contracts that we are already engaged in, are no longer going 
to be allowable under the new rule. Am I wrong?
    Mr. Wood. The existing contracts, in fact, we have already 
approved in the context of RTO West, which is a filing of Idaho 
Power and others that the existing contracts can either choose 
to convert to the new service or stay with the old service 
until the contract runs out.
    So that was actually, yes, sir, we have approved that in an 
order about, in the fall.
    Mr. Otter. So if we have got a 20 year contract on 
transmission----
    Mr. Wood. Then that stays and we work around that.
    Mr. Otter. Then how would you provide for the standard 
market?
    Mr. Wood. Well, it is harder. It is just a long transition. 
But we, as we did in the gas industry, it was the view of us 
that we do not need to abrogate existing contracts to make this 
work.
    That we work through it over a longer period of time.
    Mr. Otter. Well, my time is about out and I appreciate your 
response. But, I just want you to know that in my country, in 
Idaho, almost everything that we produce in Idaho is a value-
added product.
    And every value-added product has a large contingent of 
energy in it. Either driving brand new technology or driving 
natural resources into a form that the world wants to consume. 
And so energy is, not just important in our lifestyle, it is 
important in our economy.
    It is important to our ability to produce, whether it is on 
the farm or in the factory. And our ability to live no matter 
where that is. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman yields back. We recognize Mr. 
Strickland of Ohio for 8 minutes.
    Mr. Strickland. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I 
have a question that I was wanting to direct toward Chairman 
Meserve and I was wondering if I could submit that? I will get 
back to that.
    Mr. McSlarrow, if the papers are right, and if we are 
prepared to accept North Korea as a nuclear power and basically 
move on from there, it seems fairly outrageous to me that we 
would accept that without first of all engaging in bilateral 
discussions with this country to see if we could prevent that 
awful conclusion from becoming a reality.
    But I want to thank you for issuing the Department of 
Energy's Physician's Panel Rule for the Energy Employees 
Occupation Illness Compensation Program Act.
    From hearings held in this committee and others, we know 
that workers were placed in harms way at many of DOE sites 
under the pressures of the cold war. And at least we can 
provide some assistance for these workers who have been harmed.
    I am pleased that the Department included many 
recommendations from the bipartisan congressional group on both 
sides of the Capitol.
    But today the Energy Department has received approximately 
14,000 requests for assistance under DOE's program for claims 
related to State worker compensation or Subtitle D of the law.
    Your staff indicates that a mere seven claims have been 
processed through the Physician's Panel in the 6 months since 
the Physician's Rule was issued.
    That is seven claims in 2\1/2\ years since the bill became 
law. By comparison, the Department of Labor has been tasked 
with reviewing claims for cancer, beryllium disease and 
silicosis, under this same program.
    And to date the Department of Labor has received over 
39,000 claims, recommended decisions on over 16,000 claims and 
issued $483 million in payments to 6,700 claimants since July 
2001.
    In deed, DOL began paying claims 9 days after the deadline 
for accepting claims and processed and paid thousands of claims 
in the first 6 months.
    And the question that I have is how long will it take for 
DOE to work through its backlog of claims?
    Mr. McSlarrow. First, let me just be clear. The policy of 
the United States is for nuclear weapons free Korean peninsula. 
I don't believe everything I read in the papers, and that 
hasn't changed.
    Second, I appreciate your question about the Physician's 
Panel and the law and appreciate your leadership on all of 
that.
    First, I do want to at least claim some credit. DOL could 
not have processed its claims, as you well know, without DOE 
having gathered the records in the first instance.
    We did that, it was the first phase of the program. And we 
think it is great that they are doing a terrific job on that.
    The Rule for our part, that we are monitoring, as you know, 
did not go final until September 2002. We have barely gotten it 
off the ground, that's correct.
    But the good news is that we are now at a point of 
processing claims where we gather all the records about a given 
site or location or contractor.
    The hard case is the first one. Once you do it then you 
start moving right through it and the rejections, I can't give 
you a final date, I will try to give you one for the record.
    But I do know that in short order, going from seven or 14, 
is actually what I think we are at today, we are going to be 
going through hundreds a week.
    Mr. Strickland. Just a follow up, if I may. It is my 
understanding that DOE has contracted out the claims processing 
to a private entity called SEA. How have they been unable to 
move these claims very quickly, as we know.
    I further understand that SEA still doesn't have final 
claims processing procedures written up and available to 
claimants. And I am just asking, would you be willing to take a 
hard look at this to see if SEA is going to be able to do this 
in an appropriate, expeditious manner?
    And, if not, take appropriate action?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I would be glad to.
    Mr. Strickland. Mr. Chairman, you weren't paying attention 
to me earlier, but I had asked if I could submit a question to 
Mr. Meserve since he had to leave.
    Mr. Barton. Without objection.
    Mr. Strickland. Thank you so much. And I yield back my 
time, sir.
    Mr. Barton. The Chair thanks you for yielding back your 
time. The Chair would recognize Mr. Issa for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Issa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Wood, I guess, 
although this is a FERC general question, it probably falls to 
your broad shoulders primarily.
    As my colleague alluded to in non-specific terms, perhaps 
not fully understanding that California goes considerably north 
of some portions of Idaho, maybe he doesn't believe so, but in 
either case the pacific coast, dominated by the State of 
California, did experience market opportunism or market 
manipulation.
    But that is open for some debate. But there is no question 
that suppliers of energy took full advantage of the opportunity 
to get exorbitant rates from the people of California.
    And as my colleague, again, loosely alluded to, it was our 
own damn fault for having a system that just didn't make any 
sense.
    and then when we discovered that is was dysfunctional, we 
didn't do anything about it for a very long time. Now the part 
that is open to debate going forward. When we are looking back 
at 2000-2001, I understand that you are in the process of 
figuring out the amount of unfair compensation that was 
received.
    And I would like you to explain for myself, for the record, 
and hopefully for the people of California, because I think it 
is very important, the difference between our State 
administration, the Governor's interpretation of what we are 
entitled to in the way or repay and your interpretation.
    And I will just be simplistic for a moment. Our Governor 
believes that everything over and above the rock bottom rate 
that you would have paid if you had long term contracts and you 
hadn't deregulated and what was actually paid, is the amount 
that the State of California is entitled to.
    That is my interpretation. And then I would like you to 
explain how you are going to arrive at whatever figure you are 
going to arrive at based on the criteria of something else as 
to what the wholesale price should have been fairly.
    Mr. Wood. When we, last year, voted a mitigation plan in 
place to keep the, basically set the price where a competitive 
market would have set it. That became the bench mark.
    Wherever the competitive market, working on supply and 
demand, had set the price. So you look at what plants would 
have run. What does it cost to run the most, the marginal plant 
that is setting the price.
    And that is, a big part of that price is what was the gas 
price at the time. So that is really a very key driver here, 
and just kind of keep that thought out there.
    What we have done, and it took longer than we had hoped, 
but it took a while to calculate that amount because you are 
looking at every hour, actually every 10 minute segment of an 
hour over an 8-month period in the California market with, you 
know, numerous power plants and power customers and the like.
    The difference between what was charged in that hour and 
what this formula would calculate is really where we have gone 
forth and sent the calculators off to do.
    That, in fact, came back with a number, that is before the 
commission for review now as to whether it was right or wrong 
or high or low or just right on, of $1.8 billion.
    There was a question raised about the use of the gas price 
in that number. And if a different gas price is used, that 
number could change notably.
    One of the, I think, largest issues that we have already 
ruled under our law, we can't do, is to go back before the date 
that the complaint was filed and do this same calculation going 
backwards.
    And I think that is just an issue where our Federal Power 
Act is pretty clear that a refund obligation can start as early 
as 60 days after a complaint is filed.
    Now the Chairman's mark goes back and gets rid of the 60 
days so that you haven't lost those 2 months, going forward.
    But the law we have got to work with today does make that, 
going back, and I think that is probably a big part of the 
difference between where the Governor and some of the State 
officials have talked about on refunds and what the commission 
has done on the same issue is the building to go backward.
    Mr. Issa. I appreciate that. And I think that will help the 
people of California understand how a fair price was realized. 
One quick follow up question or separate question.
    The use of public lands for transmission lines in 
California. Can you briefly State the administration's position 
and how we and the Congress, when delineating potential lines 
should approach that?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Our position is that the Federal Government 
has to do its fair share. We can't, on the one hand, talk about 
the need for more transmission capacity and just expect to go 
in the west where there is such huge areas under Federal 
ownership that somehow it is going to get around that.
    I know the Department of Interior and the land management 
agencies themselves, working with DOE and FERC and some others 
who have some signing authority, whether it is for gas 
pipelines or electricity transmission grids, have been working 
together to try to streamline ensuring that we can make those 
available.
    Mr. Issa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. We have a vote, three votes on the floor. We 
are going to recognize Mr. Wynn for 5 minutes, and then we are 
going to recess.
    And then we will ask you folks to come back. Can you all 
come back about 2:15? Anybody that has tremendous heartburn? I 
don't think the second round of questions are going to take 
that long.
    We do have another panel after you. So, I recognize Mr. 
Wynn for 5 minutes. Then we are going to recess until 2:15, and 
begin our second round of questions at 2:15.
    So Mr. Wynn is recognized for the last question period of 
the first round.
    Mr. Wynn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr., excuse me, 
Secretary McSlarrow. Right now our strategic----
    Mr. Barton. Mr. Wynn has 8 minutes. You have 8 minutes.
    Mr. Wynn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Right now strategic 
petroleum reserve is down 100 million barrels below capacity.
    Is it your expectation that we will be replenishing this in 
the near future?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Yes. Right after September 11, President 
Bush directed us to fill the strategic petroleum reserve to its 
full capacity of 700 million barrels.
    We began to do that. It is now at 599 million barrels, it 
is the highest point ever in its history. Over the last 4 
months we have deferred putting oil into the petroleum reserve 
because of the crisis in Venezuela in order to ensure that we 
minimize any additional price pressure on crude and on gasoline 
and home heating oil.
    But it is our full intention to get back on track and fill 
the reserve by the end of 2005 to the full capacity of 700.
    Mr. Wynn. By the end of 2005.
    Mr. McSlarrow. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Wynn. So that anticipates a likely increase as a result 
of our activities in Iraq?
    Mr. McSlarrow. It is impossible to anticipate what is going 
to happen there. What I do know is that by deferring the oil 
that was supposed to go in the last 3 months, we actually get a 
premium, is that we get more oil later.
    So we should still be on track.
    Mr. Wynn. Okay. The other issue you talked about was the 
hydrogen vehicle and again our dependency on foreign oil. And 
the target that I seem to hear you saying is 2020, based on the 
very modest investment of $1.7 billion the President is 
recommending.
    I guess my question is somewhat rhetorical, but why can't 
we put more money into this if it is in fact a priority.
    And why can't we move that up with a major commitment to 
make it in 2010 rather than 2020, given the fact that after 
Iraq we are likely to see a much more volatile situation with 
respect to foreign oil and given the instability in Venezuela?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Originally when our department studied what 
it would take to produce a hydrogen economy, if you will, the 
road map showed us, even with high expenditures, not being able 
to accomplish these same kinds of decisions that you were just 
referencing until like 2035 or 2040.
    The Secretary and the President came back to our analysts 
and said tell us how fast you can move this up and then tell us 
how much it will cost?
    The answer came back that we could make a commercialization 
decision by 2015, with the idea of mass penetration by 2020.
    And it turns out, working with the scientists who have been 
working on this, this is one of those things that you just 
can't spend more money and speed it up.
    There are things that are sequential in nature that 
prevents----
    Mr. Wynn. So that is the administration's position that 
additional funding would not change the timeframe?
    Mr. McSlarrow. Not based on what we know right now. 
Obviously, if we find out differently down the road, we would 
be interested in trying to move up the schedule.
    Mr. Wynn. All right. Is there, let's see, Mr. Wood. Do you 
support the reliability language introduced in Barton-Tauzin?
    Mr. Wood. Yes, sir, I think that language looks fine.
    Mr. Wynn. Okay. And the other question, and any of the 
three commissioners may want to respond to this. It says, it 
proposes three conditions for PURPA relief.
    And I don't understand, because they all seem to be relying 
on a competitive market, how a competitive market addresses a 
problem of expanding utilization of renewable energy.
    It seems to me, and I could be way off the mark, but it 
seems to me that just the opposite would be the case. If the 
renewables were more expensive and less profitable that there 
would be a competitive dis-incentive to use renewables.
    So maybe I am looking at this wrong, but could you explain 
how those three provisions in Barton-Tauzin would work?
    Mr. Wood. All right, this is in Section 7062(m)1(a). The 
first is, I think to cut to the chase, I think the issue is 
that, and I remember this amendment from last year, Senator 
Carper, I think, introduced it on the Senate side.
    I am pretty sure this is language that mirrors that. Is 
that if there is a sufficiently competitive market to sell 
into, then the requirement from the 1978 law that the only 
person to sell to at that point was the local utility, so they 
had to take the power, is that the competitive market is 
enough.
    Now if there is a resource, such as maybe some renewable 
resources or others, may be more expensive, then the clearing 
price of the market, I think that would be a problem.
    I think there would be perhaps an inability to profitably 
generate that power. I don't honestly think that in most of the 
competitive markets there is an open retail State, there is a 
lot of customers who are interested in renewable power.
    I am not sure that that would work out in reality to be a 
problem, but theoretically, I think, you know, it could be.
    Mr. Wynn. So the plan would be for you to make a 
determination with regard to the competitiveness of the market 
place.
    And if you found competitiveness, you are saying that you 
would then allow PURPA relief. Is that----
    Mr. Wood. That is what the provision says, yes, sir. That 
we have got to make one of these three findings, not all three 
together.
    You have either got a real market to sell into or something 
that resembles that or an RTO. Which would be hopefully a 
competitive market to sell into.
    So I think A, B or C, really, basically is the same thing. 
Do you have an alternative or alternatives to sell to other 
than the utility that you have been selling to for 20 years?
    And if the answer to that is yes, then the PURPA relief 
would happen.
    Mr. Wynn. All you need is one alternative? I mean do you 
make a determination of----
    Mr. Wood. It actually does say competitive market, so it 
doesn't just say you have got one other one, but do you have a 
competitive market. Which, in, I think, our understanding, 
would be certainly more than one alternative.
    Mr. Wynn. All right. I relinquish the balance of my time. 
Thank you very much.
    Ms. Brownell. Mr. Wynn, could I just add that we are about 
wholesale choice, but in Pennsylvania where we had retail 
choice, 20 percent of the customers who exercised that choice 
chose green power, often at a higher price.
    Mr. Wynn. Now when you say green power, are you referring 
to clean coal or are you referring to renewables?
    Ms. Brownell. I am referring to renewables.
    Mr. Wynn. Okay, all right, thank you.
    Mr. Pickering [presiding]. Thank you, we are closing in on 
the time where we have a vote and we will recess. But I do want 
to welcome Mr. McSlarrow, an old friend, to the committee. I 
thank you for your testimony.
    I do have a number of questions that I would like to ask 
the panel and specifically Commissioner Wood, Chairman Wood. As 
you know, we in the southeast are very concerned about your 
work on SMD.
    I think we have made progress on trying to perfect the 
wholesale markets. Your efforts and the industry's efforts on 
regional transmission organizations has made tremendous 
progress.
    But I do caution you, and as you go forward on the SMD, 
that there is a rule, not only in the market place, but in the 
political market place, that if you get too far out, it can be 
overturned.
    And we need to be very careful that as you go forward that 
there is a consensus in my region and in other regions as to 
how these costs are going to be possibly transferred and what 
possible economic harm could be done.
    I do want to submit to the record some questions. But, Mr. 
Wood, let me ask--people have talked about the concept of 
socializing costs when an IPP connects to a transmission grid.
    Do you believe that there should be a socialization of 
cost?
    Mr. Wood. I think it depends on really where the load is 
serving. I know there has been a concern in the south that a 
lot of that IPP generated power is being exported from the 
region so there is nobody benefiting from it being there.
    I think we have embraced that, that that should actually 
not be born by the local ratepayers because they are not 
getting benefit. But I think it should be focused on where the 
benefits are.
    In many cases across the rest of the country the IPPs are 
building near where their load is so putting the transmission 
costs in the pot with everybody else's is not objectionable.
    But I understand, from hearing back from a lot of the 
people you reference, our State colleagues and some of the 
customer groups down there that they are concerned that the use 
of that power for export really does benefit someone else and 
that someone else ought pay the price.
    I think we are looking forward to a response from the 
filing utilities down there, Entergy, Southern and the others 
in the Seatrans proposal for a voluntary RTO to define exactly 
how we would determine that beneficiary.
    Mr. Pickering. I have some specific questions about the 
recent action that you took that could retroactively apply some 
of the new interconnection policy agreements to the contractual 
agreements that were reached in my region.
    And so I want to understand your thinking as to why you 
reopened some of those contractual agreements and how you want 
to look at participant funding.
    But we are out of time today, and I will follow up with 
some questions. I thank you and all of you who have spent a 
good bit of your day here and for your testimony.
    We will recess until 2:15. At that time we will be hearing 
from the second panel and continuing the--oh, I'm sorry. The 
second, not the second panel, your second round.
    So that will start at 2:15. Thank you very much.
    [Whereupon, at 1:48 p.m., the subcommittee recessed, to 
reconvene 2:19 p.m., the same day.]
    Mr. Barton. If we could have our panel reassemble. We 
concluded our first round of questions, we are going to start 
the second round with members present and any members that show 
up.
    As we begin, we are going to recognize the ranking member, 
Mr. Boucher, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Boucher. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And 
my thanks also to our witnesses for their willingness to remain 
with us for what is proving to be a very lengthy day.
    Mr. Wood, I would like to take a few moments to discuss 
with you the standard market design proposed rulemaking which 
you presently have underway.
    It strikes me as a somewhat complex mechanism. I have 
reviewed it carefully and I have a number of questions about 
just how the mechanics of it would work.
    And let me just raise with you some of the questions that 
have been brought to my attention and give you an opportunity 
to respond.
    Reference was made earlier, in the course of this hearing, 
to the action taken by the Virginia General Assembly, that in 
essence says that investor-owned utilities may not place their 
transmission in a regional transmission organization for a 
period, I think, of 1 year from the effective date of that 
measure. I can tell that what generated that proposal and the 
concern that gave fuel to it as it was considered in our 
State's legislature, was the provision in your notice of 
proposed rulemaking that would say that electric utilities 
would no longer be in a position to favor their native load.
    That they in effect would be placed in a bid in the market 
for transmission access, in competition, perhaps, with 
unaffiliated generators. And that the result of their having to 
bid for access to their own transmission lines, might be an 
increase in the cost of electricity for consumers, occasioned 
by an increase in the transmission component of that charge.
    And so my question, my first question to you is, how valid 
is that concern? Do you think there would be opportunities or 
occasions where the price of electricity for consumers might 
increase on account of what I have described?
    Or would there be offsetting savings coming from lower 
generation components for that charge based upon the presumed 
freer flow of unaffiliated generation into the service 
territory?
    How do you balance that and what do you say to those who 
have concerns that the price for electricity for consumers will 
increase because of this provision?
    Mr. Wood. We certainly heard those concerns, Congressman 
Boucher, in response to the commission's initial proposal. And 
I expect that we will make very clear how current utilities and 
current customers can be held harmless on day one.
    But what we are really looking after is a longer term plan. 
And I think it is important to think of the cost that you are 
paying of generation, inefficient generation, which is what we 
call congestion, and I just put that as a little small bar on 
top, and then transmission.
    The rate of transmission is set. Generation, the broader 
the market and the more efficient it is, certainly the pressure 
is downward on generation is where we expect the bulk of the 
savings will come.
    But this part in here that we are paying today, is for the 
inefficient dispatch of the power grid because of congestion. 
Because of the current lack of investment in the grid itself.
    And if we can identify that and isolate that out, as our 
pricing policies would do, and then allow that to be competed 
down and competed away, either through construction of better 
sited generation or through demand response.
    Or through even renewables, as I heard some of the members 
mention. Or through new transmission investment. Those kind of 
things can really get that inefficiency, that cost of 
congestion whittled down and whittled away.
    What we were not clear enough about, and I understand the 
concerns. And again, the three of us have heard this in 
excruciating detail. Is we want the ability to preserve what we 
have today.
    And we have committed to doing that in a number of 
implementation orders of the RTOs, which really is the same, 
really a broad agenda as the SMD.
    The SMD is to give some rational frame work for the RTOs. 
But, yes, sir, I think we have heard that and we full expect to 
address that and hopefully address it fully for the people who 
raise those concerns, because I would have them as well.
    Mr. Boucher. Did you say there might be some mechanism to 
hold harmless consumers so that they would not experience price 
increases as a consequence of this rule going into effect?
    Mr. Wood. Correct. And one of the things that we have 
indicated that we are looking at, and I think we have put in a 
couple of orders, but certainly we have talked about 
informally, that would be in the white paper, is the ability to 
have that day one cut over of your rights today are this, your 
rights tomorrow are the same thing if not better.
    And then going forward, those rights get in the broad 
market place with everybody else's.
    Mr. Boucher. I will await with interest your further 
illumination on that point. Let me quickly ask one other 
question. I just have some doubts about how the mechanism works 
for the disposition of the receipts from the bid for congestion 
rights in those instances where congestion exists, who actually 
gets the money when a bid is made and money is paid for the 
right of access during times of congestion?
    And then secondarily, at the end of 4 years you are 
proposing that the entire congestion receipt mechanism be 
eliminated and that there be an auction of the congestion 
rights.
    Who would get the receipts? Upon the completion of that 
auction, where would that money go?
    Mr. Wood. The receipt, to take the latter question, I 
expect that we will be looking at the 4 year, it just was kind 
of an absolute standard.
    That we did admittedly indicate after the 4 years we could 
just keep continuing what we have. But a lot of people just 
viewed that the 4 years, it would be over with.
    But none, notwithstanding that, we anticipate clarifying 
how the rights will be allocated up front. And I think a lot of 
the State commissioner colleagues have indicated they would 
like a role in allocating those up so that the current uses of 
the grid are maintained.
    And I think we are probably pretty comfortable with that. 
On the other issues, when congestion is----
    Mr. Boucher. So the answer is for an auction at the end of 
4 years of the congestion rights, you are not entirely sure you 
are going to maintain that structure?
    Mr. Wood. Right. But where we do have auctions, the 
revenues that are generated at auction are credited back to the 
customers or the utilities serving the customers that are 
paying the cost of transmission.
    So, in other words, the folks in the area that are paying 
the access charge to use the grid today. Which are mostly the 
local utility customers would be credited back with the auction 
revenues.
    Mr. Boucher. All right, that is very clear. And the other 
question?
    Mr. Wood. When you dispatch out of merit, basically you go, 
this inefficient dispatch of the, because of congestion I am 
having to turn on the unit here as opposed to this one here 
which would have been the smarter one.
    This is $35, this is $55. That $20 delta is going to be 
paid for by the person who does not have transmission rights. 
Just unprotected, unhedged rights. He, that customer will, that 
required that extra power, will pay that $20 increment to that 
generator.
    So that is how the congestion works. Is to make sure that 
the person who is causing the congestion is the one who is 
paying the bill. As opposed to spreading it across the entire 
grid and making everybody pay, even though they didn't cause 
congestion.
    Mr. Boucher. And tell me again who gets that $20?
    Mr. Wood. The generator who has dispatched out a merit, who 
cost $55 to run as opposed to the market clearing price of $35, 
that all generators were getting at the time.
    Mr. Boucher. Okay. Well, thank you. It is a very complex 
mechanism. I am going to send a letter to you asking for a 
statement of the problem that you see, on a national basis, 
that this very complex mechanism is designed to address.
    And that will give you an opportunity to describe at some 
length, exactly why this kind of structure is necessary. Lots 
of questions remain about it.
    I am sure you are going to be hearing them. I am hearing 
them every day and hopefully we will have further opportunities 
to discuss this prior to your putting a rulemaking into effect.
    And thank you very much, Mr. Wood, and Mr. Chairman, thank 
you.
    Mr. Barton. I just have one question. Mr. Wood, do you 
still expect to issue your final rule in April?
    Mr. Wood. No, sir. We are doing a white paper, which is 
really our first kind of collective response to the comments 
that we have heard, you know, 1,000 comments. Really we have 
gotten three rounds of comments on the rule in November, 
December and February.
    And then a number of probably 300 meetings between, that 
either we have had or the staffs have had with parties that are 
interested.
    So there has been a lot of good debate and actually a lot 
of refinement on the issue. But the April white paper will be 
our response to, here is what we said, here is what we have 
heard, here is where we are today.
    Mr. Barton. So what is your expectation if you issue a 
rule, a final rule, when would that, when would the earliest 
that would occur?
    Mr. Wood. I have gotten burned by making that commitment in 
the past. I certainly think late summer at the earliest.
    Mr. Barton. Okay. The Chair recognizes Mr. Markey for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Markey. I thank the Chairman very much. Mr. McSlarrow, 
I just wanted to put on the record that I am very impressed 
with the confidence the Department of Energy has that they can 
construct a Star Wars system to knock down incoming ballistic 
missiles on a couple of minutes notice.
    And that they can develop that technology. And I am also 
very impressed that they have the confidence that they can 
develop a hydrogen car 15 or 20 years from now. But I am 
extremely disappointed that they can't figure out how to use 
off-the-shelf technology today to improve the fuel economy 
standards of SUVs, and that is an available technology.
    The other technologies are speculative at best. They may or 
may not ever develop, and I would just encourage you to 
continue to try to move along that front.
    Chairman Wood, it is now 3 years since electricity price 
spikes afflicted California and the pacific northwest. And 3 
years ago your predecessor, Chairman Hebert, told this 
subcommittee that these price spikes were just the result of 
natural market forces supply and demand.
    We now know differently. We now know that Enron, Reliant, 
El Paso and others were engaged in a wide array of abusive, 
deceptive and manipulative trading practices that helped drive 
up prices in the western market.
    The FERC staff, State regulators and others have been 
investigating these manipulations and hopefully these actions 
will result in refunds being given to those victimized by these 
frauds.
    My concern is that if these refunds are granted, that it 
will, at best, be a posthumous victory for those utilities and 
consumers that were harmed.
    I think that you need to have stronger regulatory tools in 
your quiver, than the mere threat of denying market based rates 
or seeking a refund for unjust, unreasonable and unduly 
discriminatory or preferential rates.
    As I understand it, the Federal Power Act does not have a 
basic anti-fraud, anti-manipulation provision with civil and 
criminal penalties.
    The gentleman from Michigan and I crafted an amendment last 
year which we offered in the Energy Conference, which would add 
such a provision to the Act.
    We also introduced this as a free-standing bill. It is 
based on the anti-fraud provisions and the Federal securities 
laws.
    Would you support that kind of power?
    Mr. Wood. It certainly sounds appropriate, sir. I would 
have to pull that bill, I don't remember from last year. But, 
yes, sir, I think, to be sure, one of the items that we are 
doing now may be challenged later in court if this provision is 
not included, is to include that in the standard market design 
rulemaking.
    And we have got a list of the seven deadly sins and we are 
going to basically put that in FERC regulation. But it may be 
challenged if we don't have sufficient statutory authority for 
it.
    I think we do, but in case we don't, I would certainly 
appreciate any buttressing from the Congress.
    Mr. Markey. Commissioner Massey and Commissioner Brownell, 
do you, would you accept that additional set of powers for you 
to act in the manipulation and fraud area?
    Mr. Massey. I would, Congressman, and I think it is an 
excellent idea.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you. Commissioner Brownell?
    Ms. Brownell. I would happily do so. Markets do not work 
where there is a lack of confidence and a lack of 
accountability. So I would applaud your efforts in that regard.
    Mr. Markey. Okay. Now, Chairman Wood, the discussion draft 
that Chairman Barton circulated last Friday contains a 
prohibition against round tripping or wash trades. Is this the 
only type of abuse in trading activity that the FERC staff 
identified in its investigation into Enron and California 
electricity markets?
    Mr. Wood. No, sir, there are others. And, again, they are 
included in our deadly sins in the----
    Mr. Markey. Do you think, in other words, the point I guess 
I am getting at is do you believe that all abusive and 
manipulative trading practices should be prohibited or just 
that, just the couple that are mentioned?
    Mr. Wood. I think they should be. I think it is important 
to define clearly, as I think that particular sin was defined 
pretty clear as to what it is so people know what counts and 
what doesn't count.
    But conceptually, yes, sir.
    Mr. Markey. Okay. Let me turn to an issue which of great 
concern to many of us in New England. Recently ISO New England 
submitted its standard market design proposal to the FERC.
    One part of that plan would designate eastern Massachusetts 
and the Greater Boston area as a designated congestion zone. As 
a result, electricity generators or marketers in the zone, 
would be given a safe harbor, allowing them to charge higher 
prices.
    A step which the ISO claims is needed in order to 
incentivize new generation and transmission. However, we have 
been building new generation in Massachusetts.
    I have two new gas plants coming on line in Everett and I 
have been told that efforts are being made to relieve 
transmission constraints in and around Boston.
    Here is my concern. Some utilities in my district and some 
of their customers have expressed a fear that the proposed safe 
harbor could become a pirate's cove for trading abuses, similar 
to that which occurred in California.
    Specifically the fear that allowing generators to avail 
themselves of the proposed safe harbor, even in periods where 
there is no actual congestion.
    Can you alleviate my concerns about this, Mr. Chairman?
    Mr. Barton. This will have to be the last question and then 
we will go to Mr. Waxman.
    Mr. Markey. Okay, thank you.
    Mr. Wood. Certainly the designated control area, safe 
harbor issue, is one that is raised before our commission. We 
have ruled on it.
    It is an attempt to identify congestion and make it, you 
know, focused on the areas where it happens. I do note that 
just this week the ISO New England filed, just to make sure it 
had the authority to yank that without having to go through the 
60 day process at FERC if they find that it is not working as 
intended.
    Now that is something that they just filed and asked for 
from us. But I think it is looking at California so they don't 
have to wait for 30 or 60 days to make changes to their system.
    I think in the past week that there has been this new 
mechanism in place, there hasn't been congestion on the system 
at all.
    So the market clearing price in Maine and Connecticut and 
Boston and all the areas, congestion or not, have been the 
same. So I don't think that in the times when it is not 
congested, that this safe harbor will in fact be and issue at 
all.
    Because I think the market clearing price will be certainly 
probably below it.
    Mr. Markey. Shouldn't we be able to get ourselves off the 
list, if there is not congestion.
    Mr. Barton. Okay, the gentleman's time has expired.
    Mr. Markey. Thank you.
    Mr. Barton. We have another member that wishes recognition. 
Mr. Waxman is recognized for 5 more minutes.
    Mr. Waxman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. McSlarrow, I want 
to follow up on your answers regarding the President's hydrogen 
program.
    First, I would like for you to submit for the record the 
administration's projections on how much oil the Nation will 
consume in 2040, and also explain how this projection was 
calculated and what assumptions about fuel economy and oil 
production were used.
    If we can get that for the record. Just so it is clear on 
the record, I understood you to say that hydrogen cars, under 
the President's hydrogen proposal, would not significantly 
reduce the Nation's oil consumption before 2020, however R&D 
and tax incentives for new technology would help. Is that 
right?
    Mr. McSlarrow. What I answered was whether or not there 
were any other technologies that could reduce it before that 
time, and I said yes.
    The tax credits for hybrid vehicles being one example.
    Mr. Waxman. Okay. Can you give the committee an estimate of 
how much projected oil consumption will decrease as a result of 
these new policies and other alternatives? You can do that for 
the record, if you don't have it off hand.
    Now, you talked about tax incentives. It appears to me that 
the President's budget is much more committed to luxury SUVs 
than it is to hybrid vehicles.
    For example, a Hummer H2 is reported to get 11 miles per 
gallon, while a Toyota Prius can achieve over 50 miles to the 
gallon while meeting the most rigorous air emission standards, 
without question encouraging the purchase of vehicles such as 
the Prius over the H2 would help meet the dual goals of clean 
air and decreased oil dependence.
    Unfortunately, the Bush plan increases incentives for 
vehicles such as the H2 instead of energy efficient vehicles 
like the Prius.
    If the Bush plan were adopted, a small business could 
deduct the entire price of the $55,000 H2 in the first year it 
is put into service.
    The business could only deduct about one-half of the 
$20,000 Prius in the first year and the Prius would remain 
subject to the luxury car tax. Is this an inaccurate summary of 
the President's tax proposal?
    Mr. McSlarrow. The tax provision that I am familiar with on 
the hybrid vehicles is fairly straightforward and would not, in 
my view, drive you toward a vehicle that is a larger 
consumption vehicle.
    I would be glad to give you an analysis of it, in detail, 
for the record.
    Mr. Waxman. I would appreciate that and I would like to 
submit for the record, Mr. Chairman, a recent article from the 
Wall Street Journal, that discusses how city policy forces 
around the country are buying significant quantities of hybrid 
vehicles.
    This articles suggests that when the market isn't distorted 
by tax incentives, there is a good market for hybrid vehicles.
    Mr. Barton. So ordered.
    Mr. Waxman. As I understand the President's proposal, I 
think it gives the wrong incentives, but I would be interested 
in your further analysis.
    Has the administration analyzed how its tax proposal might 
discourage or encourage the purchase of hybrid vehicles by 
businesses that otherwise would have an economic reason to buy 
one?
    Mr. McSlarrow. I know we have done an analysis, I don't 
know the results of it. But, again, we will get that to you.
    Mr. Waxman. You will get that for us. Okay, thanks. To 
follow up with you, Mr. Wood, in the last round of my questions 
you indicated you would lift the protective order in California 
refund case and make evidence submitted by the California 
parties available to the public.
    As you may know, a bipartisan group of members from 
California wrote to you yesterday requesting this. However, I 
am interested in knowing if FERC will also seek and release 
Reliant transcripts for 2000 and 2001, so that the public can 
be assured that FERC hasn't missed anything?
    Mr. Wood. I will have to see if that is in the body 
evidence that we are in the process of declassifying now. If it 
is, then that would be released.
    If not, I will communicate that back to you in writing.
    Mr. Waxman. Okay, well I would hope it is going to be made 
public. Because if we are going to have faith in FERC's 
investigation, I think all the activities ought to take place 
with public scrutiny.
    If there ever were a reason to withdraw market based rate 
authority, this would seem to be the appropriate situation.
    In fact, on July 15--so anyway, I would like that 
information made public and let us know. But on July 15, 2001, 
the California PUC petitioned FERC to withdraw the Reliance 
market based rate authority.
    Why did FERC never act on these petitions and why didn't 
FERC withdraw Reliant's market based rate authority?
    Mr. Wood. We are as, I think a question from Mr. Norwood 
pointed out, we are in a process of revising our market screen.
    It was the supply margin assessment. We put that on hold 
because there was significant concern if that was the right 
screen or not.
    We have gotten a lot of comments on that in the past years. 
So there was not just Reliant and some other companies, but 
probably about 60 companies now that we are waiting to move 
forward on.
    It is a policy issue that we have not resolved as to what 
standards for----
    Mr. Waxman. And I am interested in further information for 
the record. But if this didn't warrant withdrawal of market 
based rates, I would like you to provide the committee with an 
example that would warrant such action. Thank you, very much, 
Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Barton. The gentleman's time has expired. We are going 
to release this panel. You all have been more than gracious 
with your time and your answers, your input and your written 
testimony.
    There may be members that wish to submit written questions 
for the record and we would hope that you would reply 
expeditiously to those written questions.
    But thank you for your time and you now are excused. Let us 
welcome, as soon as the first panel vacates the premises, the 
second panel.
    We have Mr. Marvin Fertel with the Nuclear Energy 
Institute. Mrs. Anna Aurilio with the U.S. Public Interest 
Research Group.
    Mr. Jeff Benjamin with, the Vice President for Licensing 
and Regulatory Affairs with Exelon. Dr. Edwin Lyman who is the 
President of the Nuclear Control Institute.
    Mr. Steven Nadel, Executive Director for the American 
Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy. Dr. Malcolm O'Hagan 
who is the President of National Electrical Manufacturers 
Association.
    And Mr. Alden Meyer who is Director of Government Affairs 
for the Union of Concerned Scientists. Welcome lady and 
gentleman.
    Your testimony is in the record in its entirety and we are 
going to start with Mr. Fertel. We will give you 5 minutes and 
we will just go right down the line, 5 minutes each. And then 
we will have some questions. Welcome to the committee.

   STATEMENTS OF MARVIN S. FERTEL, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF 
 BUSINESS OPERATIONS, NUCLEAR ENERGY INSTITUTE; ANNA AURILIO, 
  LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR, U.S. PUBLIC INTEREST RESEARCH GROUP; 
 JEFFREY A. BENJAMIN, VICE PRESIDENT, LICENSING AND REGULATORY 
  AFFAIRS, EXELON NUCLEAR; EDWIN S. LYMAN, PRESIDENT, NUCLEAR 
 CONTROL INSTITUTE; STEVEN NADEL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AMERICAN 
   COUNCIL FOR AN ENERGY-EFFICIENT ECONOMY; MALCOLM O'HAGAN, 
 PRESIDENT, NATIONAL ELECTRICAL MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION; AND 
    ALDEN MEYER, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, UNION OF 
                      CONCERNED SCIENTISTS

    Mr. Fertel. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Boucher, 
Ranking Member Boucher, on behalf of Nuclear Energy Institute I 
commend you for your leadership in both the last Congress and 
this Congress on pursuing legislation to implement a 
comprehensive national energy strategy.
    I would also like to commend the committee for its 
leadership last year in supporting the President's decision on 
the Yucca Mountain repository site, which was a tremendous step 
forward in energy policy matters.
    Today I will offer a few key points on the proposed 
legislation, but I would be remiss if I did not first comment 
on the security at our nuclear power plants.
    The nuclear industry had extensive and robust security 
prior to the tragic events of September 11. Since then, the NRC 
has imposed additional requirements.
    And during the past 18 months, the nuclear industry has 
invested an additional $370 million in security related 
improvements, including hiring about a third more security 
officers, bringing our total to about 7,000.
    The State of our security was recently demonstrated as part 
of a study by the Center for Strategic and International 
Studies that looked at the vulnerability of our Nation's 
critical infrastructure to terrorist actions.
    At the end of that assessment, CSIS recognized the 
effectiveness of nuclear plant security and acknowledged our 
plants as the best protected industrial facilities in the 
Nation.
    The legislation passed in the last Congress by this 
committee and reintroduced in the discussion draft this year, 
contains a number of provisions directed at studies and 
programs the NRC should implement to improve security at 
commercial nuclear plants.
    Given both the enhanced security requirements imposed by 
the NRC, since September 11, and the extensive requirements for 
threat and vulnerability analysis contained in the legislation 
creating the Department of Homeland Security, we conclude that 
those provisions in Section 4012 are no longer necessary and 
respectively suggest that they be deleted from the discussion 
draft.
    We will, of course, continue to implement every sensible 
sound approach as we can for security, drawing on industry 
resources and enforcement agencies and national defense forces, 
in what we would expect to be a seamless integration of 
response to any potential terrorist threats.
    Let me turn now to energy policy. Energy drives our 
Nation's economy and diversity of energy supply and technology, 
as well as demand side management efficiency and conservation 
are all necessary.
    Nuclear energy is a major part of our Nation's energy 
diversity, providing electricity for one in every five homes 
and businesses.
    The industry's average capacity factor last year was a 
record 91.5 percent, the most efficient among all types of 
power plants.
    And when all the data are in, we estimate that total 
electricity production from nuclear energy last year, will 
reach 778 billion kilowatt hours, which is another record.
    That is more electricity than is used in total by all but 
three other countries in the world. America's nuclear plants 
are essential to meeting our air quality policy goals.
    Nuclear energy produces no air pollution and in fact will 
play a major role in helping meet the President's goal for 
reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
    A comprehensive national energy policy should take full 
advantage of the benefits of nuclear energy. To accomplish 
this, legislation actions are needed in the following areas.
    Congress should, as soon as possible, renew the Price-
Anderson Act, and we would propose it be done indefinitely.
    It is a proven frame work that has worked for over 45 
years. Congress should also move forward and amend the Atomic 
Energy Act, to remove statutory requirements that are no longer 
necessary because of changes in time and the responsibilities 
of other agencies.
    To address the infrastructure investment crisis we face as 
a Nation, we have proposed the Secretary of Energy be 
authorized to provide financial incentives, such as loans, that 
would be paid back, to a limited number of nuclear projects.
    We have proposed that is probably also true for any large 
capital investment, like coal plants or transmission lines.
    Congress should continue to support nuclear energy research 
and development programs at DOE, including the Nuclear Energy 
Research Initiative, the Nuclear Energy Plant Optimization 
Program and Nuclear Power 2010.
    Updated tax treatment should reflect today's business 
environment. As such, reform of the treatment of 
decommissioning funds, as proposed in the House version of H.R. 
4 that passed last year, should also be reenacted.
    And in order to stimulate continued investment in our 
critical energy infrastructure, the depreciation period of 
nuclear plants and other large energy related capital projects 
should be made equitable for with that for other industrial 
investments.
    Finally, Congress should ensure that money paid into the 
nuclear waste fund by America's consumers is fully available to 
support the Yucca Mountain project.
    We encourage the committee to support the administration's 
proposal to adjust the nuclear waste fund's discretionary 
spending cap and to work with the administration on a longer 
term permanent fix.
    In conclusion, America's economic strength depends on a 
strong, reliable energy supply. Nuclear energy is a vital 
component of that supply.
    Any prudent national energy policy must include provisions 
for expansion of the nuclear energy industry for the benefit of 
all Americans. Thank you for your time.
    [The prepared statement of Marvin S. Fertel follows:]

Prepared Statement of Marvin S. Fertel, Senior Vice President, Nuclear 
                            Energy Institute

    Chairman Barton, Ranking Member Boucher and distinguished members 
of the subcommittee, I am Marvin Fertel, senior vice president at the 
Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI). On behalf of NEI, I would like to 
commend you for focusing the 108th Congress' attention today on 
legislation to implement comprehensive national energy policy.
    NEI is responsible for developing policy for the U.S. nuclear 
industry. NEI's 270 corporate and other members represent a broad 
spectrum of interests, including every U.S. electric company that 
operates a nuclear power plant. NEI's membership also includes nuclear 
fuel cycle companies, suppliers, engineering and consulting firms, 
national research laboratories, manufacturers of radiopharmaceuticals, 
universities, labor unions and law firms.
    The nuclear industry continues to play an important part in 
addressing the issues that face this country in meeting our energy 
needs. Nuclear energy already is a vital part of our diverse energy 
portfolio, producing electricity--safely and cleanly--for one of every 
five U.S. homes and businesses. Our nation's comprehensive energy 
policy must ensure an affordable, reliable supply of energy, and 
nuclear energy provides one of the solutions to several policy 
challenges that our nation faces. Among these policy challenges are:

<bullet> generating reliable and affordable electricity to meet 
        projected increases in consumer demand over the next two 
        decades
<bullet> protecting our nation's air and ecological quality through the 
        emission-free generation of electricity at nuclear power plants
<bullet> providing secure national energy supplies that are not 
        susceptible to price spikes or disruptions because of global 
        politics.
    I will speak to each of these points briefly. Before doing so, 
however, I feel that I must comment on the readiness of our nation's 
nuclear energy facilities in the wake of the events of Sept. 11, 2001.
    We support to the fullest the president's creation of the 
Department of Homeland Security, and we commend the leadership of the 
House of Representatives in supporting his efforts. We believe that a 
central organization is essential to provide the necessary integration 
of intelligence information, vulnerability and threat assessment and, 
ultimately, to assure the availability of necessary government 
resources to protect our critical infrastructure.
    The nuclear industry's goal is to develop a seamless integration of 
private and public capabilities to protect vital facilities within our 
country's infrastructure, including nuclear energy facilities. This 
integration should coordinate response capabilities of industry, state 
and local entities, national defense and homeland security. The nuclear 
industry is working diligently with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 
and other federal entities to achieve this comprehensive response 
capability.
    Since Sept. 11, 2001, the nuclear energy industry has been on a 
high state of alert. The defense-in-depth inherent in the robust design 
of our plants has been reassessed and augmented. During the past 18 
months, our industry has invested an additional $370 million in 
security-related improvements, including stronger perimeter security; 
improved background checks; and tighter access control at our plants. 
As part of this effort, the nuclear energy industry has added about 
one-third more security officers, for a total of 7,000 well-trained, 
heavily armed security officers at 67 sites.
    The industry will continue to make these investments and 
improvements to comply with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's 
requirements.

                      INCREASED NUCLEAR PRODUCTION

    With assured security, the industry's 103 operating reactors will 
continue to provide safe, affordable and reliable electricity for the 
nation. U.S. nuclear power plants generated a record 778 billion 
kilowatt-hours of electricity <SUP>1</SUP> last year and the industry's 
capacity factor--a measure of efficiency at power plants--was a record 
91.5, well above any other type of power plants in the United States. 
The industry will continue to increase the amount of electricity 
generated by nuclear power by relicensing current reactors, continuing 
to improve efficiency and implementing new technology to ``uprate'' 
reactors. We also are pursuing major initiatives leading to building 
advanced nuclear power plants over the next two decades.
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    Nuclear energy is the second largest source of electricity in the 
United States. The industry has reached record levels of safety, 
reliability, efficiency and output in the United States.
    Nuclear energy is the least expensive source of baseload power in 
the United States, with very stable forward pricing. It therefore 
provides stability to the entire country's electrical supply system and 
plays an important role in sustaining our nation's economy.
    Nuclear energy's contribution to U.S. electricity supply is 
essential to sustain economic growth, meet the electricity needs of our 
increasing population, and meet growing U.S. electricity demand for 
today and the future. The Energy Information Agency anticipates a 1.8 
percent electricity growth rate through the next two decades, requiring 
the addition of 400,000 megawatts of new electricity capacity. The 
nuclear industry's Vision 2020 strategic plan has set a goal of 50,000 
megawatts of additional nuclear generation by 2020, which is required 
simply to maintain the nation's current level of electricity production 
from emission-free sources, such as hydropower, nuclear and renewable 
energy. We must have new sources of energy for economic growth, but we 
also must maintain our commitment to improving our air quality and our 
environment. With nuclear energy, we can do both.
    To satisfy this growing electricity demand, the nuclear industry is 
implementing a three-part program:

<bullet> maintaining the energy production of existing reactors through 
        license renewal
<bullet> expanding output from the existing reactors by continuing to 
        improve efficiency and reliability, and by investing the 
        capital required to increase the capacity of the reactors
<bullet> laying the groundwork for construction and operation of new 
        nuclear plants.
    Several of America's nuclear generating companies, working with 
NEI, are implementing a broad-based plan to create the business 
conditions necessary for construction of new nuclear power plants. The 
plan includes:

<bullet> initiatives to reduce the initial capital cost of new nuclear 
        power plants
<bullet> programs to create a stable licensing regime and reduce 
        regulatory uncertainties, including industry programs to 
        demonstrate the new NRC processes for siting and licensing new 
        nuclear plants.
    The 1992 Energy Policy Act significantly improved the licensing 
process for new nuclear plants. All design, safety and site-related 
issues are resolved with full public participation before capital is 
invested. The chairman of this subcommittee, Mr. Barton of Texas, was a 
principal author of this major improvement to the NRC licensing 
process.
    The new approach allows the NRC to:

<bullet> ``certify'' a standardized nuclear power plant design. 
        Certification is a formal rulemaking process. It requires a 
        substantial up-front investment to prepare a reactor design--
        complete and detailed enough to satisfy the NRC that the design 
        meets all NRC safety standards.
<bullet> evaluate and pre-approve a prospective site for a new nuclear 
        plant
<bullet> issue a single license to construct and operate a new nuclear 
        plant if a company uses an NRC-certified design and a pre-
        approved site.
    Three reactor designs--a 1,300-megawatt advanced boiling water 
reactor, a 1,300-megawatt pressurized water reactor, and a 600-megawatt 
pressurized water reactor--have been certified by the NRC. Two advanced 
boiling water reactors have been built in Japan. Taiwan is building two 
more. And South Korea is building variants of the large pressurized 
water reactor. A design for a 1,000-megawatt advanced pressurized water 
reactor is undergoing certification review, and five other designs are 
in varying stages of certification.
    Private companies would only undertake investments of this size if 
new nuclear power plants are competitive in the marketplace with other 
sources of electricity and if there is stability in the regulatory 
process to license the facilities. Few policy initiatives, however, now 
exist to stimulate companies to invest in new nuclear plants sooner 
than they otherwise would. Though the Department of Energy is working 
with the industry to demonstrate the new plant licensing concepts, 
larger initiatives do not exist to reduce the investment risk 
associated with a large capital project, such as the construction of 
new nuclear power plants.
    The policy initiatives necessary to stimulate construction of new 
nuclear generating capacity include:

<bullet> continuation of the Energy Department's ``Nuclear Power 2010'' 
        initiative, which is a government/industry partnership to 
        pursue two short-term objectives: resolving technical and/or 
        economic issues associated with new nuclear plant designs, and 
        validating the new NRC licensing process--verifying that it 
        works as intended and that it will not place private sector 
        investment at risk. This initiative requires relatively modest 
        federal investment in nuclear energy research and development.
<bullet> new authorization for the secretary of energy to provide 
        financial assistance through loans, loan guarantees and lines 
        of credit for a limited number of new nuclear projects
<bullet> changes to the tax laws to treat depreciation of investment in 
        critical energy infrastructure--such as nuclear power plants--
        equitably with other large capital investment projects. 
        Additionally, incentives through investment tax credits may be 
        desirable.

     NUCLEAR PLANT SAFETY LAYS GROUNDWORK FOR EXTENDING OPERATIONS

    The excellent safety record of U.S. nuclear power plants lays the 
groundwork for refining regulatory oversight of these plants for 
extending the federal licenses of the reactors for an additional 20 
years, to a total of 60 years of production.
    Through the NRC's revised nuclear plant oversight process, 
regulators now focus their attention on areas that are most significant 
to safety at the plant, rather than treating all areas as if they were 
of equal significance to safety.
    In addition, America's nuclear energy plants represent the gold 
standard for industry safety. Working in a nuclear power plant is safer 
than working in the banking industry, according to safety statistics 
from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
    In addition, the agency has put in place an efficient process for 
renewing the licences for today's plants. The average nuclear plant 
today is about 18 years old, far from the expiration of its original 
40-year operating period established in NRC licenses. The 40-year 
license term reflects both the amortization period generally used by 
electric utility companies for large capital investments and the 
licensing approach used for radio stations. However, as some of the 
plants built in the 1970s approach the end of their original license 
periods, experience demonstrates clearly that reactors can generate 
electricity safely much longer than their original 40-year license.
    As computer systems, instrumentation and other technologies have 
advanced, whole systems have been replaced in nuclear power plants. In 
many of these areas, nuclear power plants are virtually new, and they 
are safer and more efficient than ever.
    Ten U.S. reactors already have been approved for 20-year license 
renewals, and about half of the nation's 103 nuclear power plants have 
filed or announced plans to submit license renewal applications to the 
NRC during the next few years. NEI expects that nearly all of the 
nation's reactors will eventually apply for license renewal.

                      USED NUCLEAR FUEL MANAGEMENT

    The industry safely manages used nuclear fuel today at nuclear 
power plant sites. There has never been any health or environmental 
impact to the public from used nuclear fuel management.
    Federal law has mandated the development of a centralized geologic 
repository for long-term stewardship of used fuel from nuclear power 
plants and the radioactive byproducts of the federal government's 
nuclear programs. The Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982 and its 1987 
amendments require DOE to locate, build and operate a deep, mined 
geologic repository for used nuclear fuel. The 1987 amendments 
designated Yucca Mountain, Nev., as the site to be studied for a 
potential repository.
    President Bush last year approved Yucca Mountain as the site to 
develop a federal repository and the decision was upheld by the 107th 
Congress. I want to thank this committee for its leadership in moving 
the Yucca Mountain resolution in Congress. The next step in that 
process is the NRC's licensing the repository site and granting 
construction authorization. DOE expects to file a license application 
with the NRC by December 2004. It is imperative that DOE meets its 
milestones for licensing so the repository can be built and operating 
by 2010.
    To pay for the repository, the Nuclear Waste Policy Act established 
the federal Nuclear Waste Fund. Since 1983, consumers of electricity 
generated at nuclear power plants have paid a tax of one-tenth of a 
cent per kilowatt-hour of nuclear-energy-generated electricity they use 
into the fund, which now totals some $22 billion in payments and 
interest. More than $6 billion from the Nuclear Waste Fund has been 
used for scientific and engineering studies.
    Congress must ensure that the program is adequately funded through 
the annual appropriations process. Budget restrictions and processes 
that unnecessarily prohibit use of the Nuclear Waste Fund for project 
development must be removed. The nuclear energy industry supports the 
administration's proposal to adjust the fund's discretionary spending 
cap. We encourage the committee to support that proposal, but we 
recognize that a more permanent fix is needed to ensure that funds 
collected for the waste program are allocated as needed to that 
project.

       NUCLEAR ENERGY'S PROVEN ROLE IN PRESERVING OUR ENVIRONMENT

    Nuclear energy is the only large source of electricity that is both 
emission-free and readily expandable. Its exemplary safety record, 
outstanding reliability, low operating costs and future price stability 
make nuclear energy a vital fuel for the future.
    Nuclear energy accounts for three-fourths of all U.S. emission-free 
electricity generation. The Bush administration has established a 
proposal to cut U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 18 percent by 2012 
through a voluntary approach that is compatible with economic growth. 
The administration clearly believes that nuclear energy is a key to the 
plan's success. Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham recently said of 
nuclear energy, ``It's obvious to me that an energy source capable of 
supplying a significant proportion of the world's power with no 
greenhouse gas emissions should be at the center of the debate.''
    The electric utility industry and DOE have established a voluntary 
partnership called Power Partners to develop and implement voluntary 
greenhouse gas reduction activities that will also sustain economic 
growth. Power Partners' actions are guided by the principles of 
improved energy efficiency, increased investments in research and 
development, technological innovation, market-based initiatives, and 
cost-effective reductions in carbon emissions.
    The nuclear energy industry will play a significant role in the 
Power Partners program. The U.S. nuclear industry can increase its 
output by about 10,000 megawatts of capacity by 2012, resulting in 
incremental reductions of 22 million metric tons of carbon equivalent. 
The additional electricity production at nuclear power plants would 
come from power uprates, improved productivity and plant restarts.
    As a result, the nuclear energy industry could meet one-fifth of 
the president's goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 18 percent 
in the next 10 years, building upon the nuclear industry's clean-air 
accomplishments during the past four decades.
    Looking beyond 2012, the nuclear energy industry is prepared to 
play a major role in sustaining the president's commitment to reduce 
the greenhouse gas intensity of the U.S. economy, as the industry 
pursues its goal of building 50,000 megawatts of new nuclear energy 
capacity in the United States by 2020. This additional 50,000 megawatts 
would reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by approximately 100 million 
metric tons of carbon equivalent. At the same time, nuclear energy 
avoids emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide.

                   PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR NUCLEAR ENERGY

    Protecting our environment and improving U.S. energy security are 
among the reasons why two out of three Americans favor nuclear energy 
as one way to generate electricity.
    Another reason for the public's steady support for nuclear energy 
is that the public views nuclear energy as a fuel of the future.
    In an October 2002 survey, a record high 73 percent of college 
graduates registered to vote favored the use of nuclear energy. Those 
who ``strongly support'' the use of nuclear energy outnumbered those 
who ``strongly oppose'' by an increasingly wide margin--three to one.
    Nearly two-thirds of the general public favored nuclear energy, and 
the gap between those who strongly favor (30 percent) and strongly 
oppose (15 percent) nuclear energy is the largest that it has been 
during the past two decades. The trends among the general public over 
the years have paralleled those among college graduates who are 
registered to vote--but the more educated and politically active group 
always has been more favorable toward nuclear energy.
    Record numbers of college graduate voters--88 percent--also 
supported renewing the licenses of nuclear power plants that meet 
federal standards, and 77 percent strongly agreed we should keep the 
option to build more nuclear power plants in the future. Fifty-nine 
percent of college graduate voters and 55 percent of all adults agreed 
that we should ``definitely build more nuclear power plants.''

                    COMPREHENSIVE ENERGY LEGISLATION

    NEI believes that diversity of supply and technology are the 
strength of our electrical system. With regard to nuclear energy's role 
in a comprehensive energy policy, NEI encourages the committee to 
support the following recommendations:
    Renewal of the Price-Anderson Act. Congress should renew the Price-
Anderson Act as soon as possible. The Price-Anderson Act of 1957, 
signed into law as an amendment to the Atomic Energy Act, provides for 
payment of public liability claims related to any nuclear incident. It 
is a proven framework that has worked for nearly 45 years. Given this 
proven record, Congress should renew it indefinitely. If needed, 
Congress can reopen the law--as it can any law--at any time if 
modifications are needed. In addition, Congress can request periodic 
updates on the status of Price-Anderson Act implementation from the NRC 
in order to provide a basis for change if necessary.
    In its 1998 report to Congress, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 
said that the Price-Anderson Act has ``proven to be a remarkably 
successful piece of legislation'' that has grown in depth of coverage 
and that proved its viability in the aftermath of the Three Mile Island 
accident.
    Amendments to the Atomic Energy Act. The Atomic Energy Act should 
be amended so that the NRC is positioned to meet the energy challenges 
of the 21st century. Recommended amendments to the law include:

<bullet> Removing the statutory requirement that NRC conduct antitrust 
        reviews of applications to build new nuclear plants. This 
        review already is being done by other federal agencies that 
        have the core competencies to perform it.
<bullet> Removing the statutory prohibition of foreign ownership of 
        U.S. commercial nuclear power plants. The NRC would have the 
        responsibility to ensure that their actions are not inimical to 
        our national security.
<bullet> Ensuring that smaller, modular nuclear reactors are not 
        subjected to inappropriate liability under the Price-Anderson 
        Act's secondary financial protection provision.
    The secretary of energy should be authorized to provide financial 
assistance through loans, loan guarantees and lines of credit to a 
limited number of new nuclear projects.
    Tax treatment updated to reflect today's business conditions and to 
enable sustained private sector investment in, and large-scale 
commercial deployment of critical energy infrastructure, particularly 
large capital projects--such as nuclear projects. Also, reform is 
needed for tax treatment for decommissioning funds, as in the House 
version of H.R. 4 that was passed last year.
    Authorization for nuclear energy research and development should 
include:

<bullet> Funding for government/industry activities, including the 
        Nuclear Energy Research Initiative, aimed at the development of 
        new reactor technologies; the Nuclear Energy Plant 
        Optimization, focused on the optimization of existing reactors; 
        and the Energy Department's ``Nuclear Power 2010'' initiative, 
        with an objective of building a new reactor within this decade.
<bullet> Authorization to support enhanced university nuclear science 
        and engineering programs to ensure ample nuclear professionals 
        for the future.
<bullet> Funding demonstration projects using nuclear energy to produce 
        hydrogen, both at existing nuclear energy plants and through 
        new advanced reactors. NEI urges supporting a demonstration 
        project for using new reactor designs in this effort at a 
        national laboratory. This would provide a dramatic boost to the 
        president's Clear Skies initiative to promote the use of this 
        clean fuel for the future.
<bullet> Providing increased predictability for the introduction of 
        uranium from U.S. government inventories into the commercial 
        marketplace. Market participants must be able to plan prudently 
        for the introduction of this uranium into the market, and to 
        avoid adverse affects on the domestic uranium mining, 
        conversion or enrichment industries.
<bullet> Elevating the Office of Nuclear Energy at the Department of 
        Energy to assistant secretary status, thereby assigning the 
        appropriate level of focus to nuclear energy within the 
        nation's energy policy.
<bullet> Creating an Office of Used Nuclear Fuel Research within the 
        Energy Department.

                               CONCLUSION

    Nuclear energy provides clean, affordable and reliable electricity 
to one of every five U.S. homes and business and has been a vital 
partner in meeting clean-air requirements since passage of the Clean 
Air Act. As our country's electricity demand continues to rise, nuclear 
energy will be even more important to American consumers. A prudent 
national energy policy must include provisions for expansion of the 
nuclear energy industry. One of the most fundamental elements of 
America's economic strength is the diversity of energy supply that 
drives our economy. Nuclear energy is a critical component to preserve 
our diverse energy supply, to continue to lessen our dependence on 
volatile foreign energy, and to meet new requirements for emission-free 
electricity.
    Thank you for this opportunity to share the nuclear energy 
industry's perspective on the important policy issues this subcommittee 
is considering. NEI encourages the subcommittee to give full 
consideration to the policy recommendations the industry has outlined 
in this testimony.

                    STATEMENT OF ANNA AURILIO

    Ms. Aurilio. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, Congressman 
Boucher and others. Thanks for the opportunity to testify.
    My name is Anna Aurilio, I am the Legislative Director for 
the U.S. Public Interest Research Group. We are the national 
lobbying office for the State PIRGs, which are non-profit, non-
partisan, good government, environmental and consumer advocacy 
groups active across the country.
    Now we have a long history in working for clean energy and 
against dirty energy of which nuclear energy certainly has to 
be probably the No. 1.
    Our vision of the future is a clean energy future. We 
propose to increase renewable energy production so that it 
results in a fifth of our energy electricity production by 
2020.
    We proposed to reduce oil consumption in vehicles by a 
third, by 2020. We propose to increase consumer protections, 
not repeal things like PUHCA, so that electricity consumers are 
protected.
    And finally, of course, if we do the renewable energy and 
energy efficiency policies that we know are possible, we won't 
have to drill in places like the Arctic National Wildlife 
Refuge or other special wilderness areas.
    Let me focus on nuclear power and the draft legislation 
which we got on Friday. Our basic position is that nuclear 
power is unsafe, uneconomic, unreliable and it generates waste 
for which there is no sound solution.
    Unfortunately, this legislation is a recipe for nuclear 
disaster. It proposes more subsidies, more bail outs. It 
actually rolls back a two decades long non-proliferation 
policy, and it fails to address basic and major safety concerns 
that have been raised both before and after September 11.
    Let me go into some specifics. Consumers, myself included. 
I couldn't believe it when I opened my gas bill this month, 
were faced with skyrocketing energy bills.
    Yet this legislation promotes the most expensive 
electricity source. I know you have heard different facts and 
figures about the cost of nuclear power, but you have to strip 
away the subsidies.
    So, first and foremost, for existing nuclear power plants, 
you need to understand that in almost every State where 
deregulation has happened, the nuclear power plant owners got 
their mortgages paid off through stranded cost bail outs.
    So any forward going costs that they are proclaiming right 
now, is because rate payers have already paid. And our estimate 
is in 11 States alone, rate payers paid an extra $112 billion 
as a cost of deregulation.
    So you have to face reality there in terms of what the 
actual costs of those nuclear power plants are going forward. 
There is no reason then to continue to subsidize the existing 
plants.
    Policies like the Price-Anderson Act were intended to be 
temporary. In 1957, when the legislation was passed, it was 
supposed to be for 10 years until the industry could stand on 
its own.
    Time for the industry to stand on its own. We are gratified 
that this legislation at least contains some of the amendments 
that the House Energy and Commerce Committee put on to address 
nuclear terrorist threats, address contractor accountability, 
etcetera.
    But, so I am stunned to hear Mr. Fertel say that he doesn't 
like those because those are about the only provisions we 
approve of there.
    But we see no justification for continuing Price-Anderson 
anyway. If the nuclear industry is safe, there is no reason to 
limit the liability of nuclear power plants.
    Second, we have also seen a plea for more money to develop 
new nuclear power plants by 2010. My testimony has footnotes 
that will drive you to DOE's website where they have 
commissioned a company called Scully Capital, to look at what 
it would actually take to build a new nuclear power plant by 
2010.
    Again, don't believe the numbers that you hear. This is a 
financial analyst organization that says that the Federal 
Government would have to create even more subsidies than 
already exist in order to build new nuclear power plants by 
2010.
    Including potentially entering into power purchasing 
agreements at 50 percent or more above market price. This is 
not an energy source that the Federal Government should be 
investing in.
    Next point. While Americans are being asked to sacrifice to 
prevent rogue nations from using nuclear weapons, this 
legislation actually rolls back important non-proliferation 
policies.
    The sections which deal with advanced fuel recycling 
policies, basically roll back a policy the U.S. has had against 
extracting plutonium from commercial fuel.
    Plutonium is the problem. Getting it out of the commercial 
spent fuel will make it easier for wrong-doers to get their 
hands on it. And certainly, as some documents on DOE's website 
suggest, to start a commercial nuclear fuel cycle, based on 
plutonium, seems to me the silliest thing I have ever heard in 
this day and age.
    Finally, we have aging nuclear power plants around the 
country. In Ohio, the Davis-Besse plant, which several people 
actually referenced in their opening statements, is a clear 
example of where the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is not 
adequately regulating.
    Where a company begged and kicked and screamed, according 
to NRC Inspector General transcripts of interviews with NRC 
employees, and basically convinced the regulators to not shut 
down the plant for 3 additional months, even though there was 
very, very convincing evidence that there was something wrong 
at the plant.
    Now I thank God that nothing happened there, but basically 
there was an eighth of an inch of stainless steel left by the 
time the plant was finally shut down and checked.
    So I think we need to and Congress and this committee in 
particular, which has oversight of the NRC, needs to do a 
couple of things.
    One is it needs to demand that NRC enforce its own safety 
regulations. And two, it needs to demand that NRC actually send 
a report to Congress, every month, like it does on other NRC 
issues and report on the progress of that enforcement.
    I think my time is up, but I just want to make one more 
plea, which is States rights. A lot of Governors and a lot of 
folks in the States are realizing that the evacuation plans 
which are only ten mile evacuation plans, when we know that if 
there is an accident there could be harm in a greater area than 
that, are realizing that they are very, very inadequate to 
protect public safety.
    And I think we should give Governor's the rights to, one, 
veto evacuation plans. Shut down plants if they serve an 
unreasonable risk. And veto the sighting of any new plants if 
they are an unreasonable risk to public health and safety. 
Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Anna Aurilio follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Anna Aurilio, Legislative Director, U.S. Public 
                        Interest Research Group

    Good morning, my name is Anna Aurilio and I'm the Legislative 
Director of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, or U.S. PIRG. U.S. 
PIRG is the national office for the State PIRGs, which are 
environmental, good government and consumer advocacy groups active 
around the country. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today.
    The state PIRGs have a long history of working for a clean 
affordable energy future. Our goal is shift from polluting and 
dangerous sources of energy such as nuclear and fossil energy to 
increased energy efficiency and clean renewable energy sources.
    Nuclear power is unsafe, unreliable, uneconomic and generates long-
lived radioactive wastes for which there is no safe solution. All 
aspects of the nuclear fuel cycle pose a risk to humans and the 
environment. It should be phased out as soon as possible and should not 
be encouraged as a future energy source.
    Since the late 1970's, the PIRGs have worked to protect the public 
from unsafe, expensive nuclear reactors. PIRGs successfully opposed the 
construction of several nuclear power plants because of cost, safety 
and nuclear waste concerns. For example, in 1982, litigation by 
MASSPIRG helped cancel the proposed Pilgrim 2 nuclear power plant. In 
1983, NJPIRG helped cancel the proposed Hope Creek nuclear power plant. 
CoPIRG worked for the creation of the Office of Consumer Counsel (OCC) 
in 1984. The OCC was key in protecting ratepayers from being burdened 
with ``stranded costs'' in the St. Vrain nuclear power plant case.
    During the last reauthorization of the Price-Anderson Act, the 
PIRGs successfully advocated for lower taxpayer liability in case of a 
nuclear accident. From 1993 through 1995, PIRG helped shift more than 
$500 million in nuclear and fossil R&D spending to efficiency and 
renewable programs. During that time, we helped convince Congress to 
eliminate funding for two extremely expensive advanced reactor 
programs, the gas-cooled reactor and the breeder reactor known as the 
Advanced Liquid Metal Reactor, saving taxpayers at least $5.6 billion. 
In 2002, the PIRGs helped defeat a nuclear-subsidy laden energy bill in 
House/Senate conference.
    Today I will be addressing nuclear energy issues, especially 
focusing on policies that should and shouldn't be included in energy 
legislation. Overall we are dismayed that the draft legislation 
developed by this subcommittee takes us in the wrong direction. By 
extending and increasing nuclear subsidies, reversing decades of 
nuclear non-proliferation policy, and failing to address major safety 
concerns, this legislation is a recipe for nuclear disaster, not a safe 
energy future.
    Uranium mining threatens public health. Uranium mining and 
enrichment has caused sickness and death in workers and has generated 
tons of mining and enrichment wastes, which continue to threaten nearby 
communities. Current uranium mining practices include ``in-situ'' 
leaching, which pollutes precious aquifers in the arid West. We are 
particularly disappointed to see that the draft legislation circulated 
by this subcommittee contains a subsidy for ``in situ'' leach mining 
(Section 4029). This section authorizes the Department of Energy (DOE) 
to spend $10 million annually for fiscal years 2004, 2005, 2006 to 
identify, test and develop ``in situ'' leach mining technologies. This 
uranium mining technology, whereby mining companies inject millions of 
gallons of chemical solutions into the groundwater to extract uranium 
from the host rock, pollutes groundwater in the West. We are concerned 
that a three-year, $30 million subsidy will serve to prop up a failing 
industry that has a terrible environmental track record. We are 
particularly concerned that this type of subsidy could allow a disputed 
project in New Mexico to go forward, threatening a pristine water 
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    Nuclear power plants threaten nearby communities. Nuclear power 
plants are very complex and contain enormous amounts of potential 
energy in the fuel at the core of the reactor. The most tragic example 
of the dangers posed by this technology is the 1986 accident at the 
Chernobyl reactor in the Ukraine. The explosion and core meltdown at 
Chernobyl released radiation that generated a plume encompassing the 
entire Northern Hemisphere <SUP>2</SUP>. Here in the U.S., in addition 
to the partial core meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979, which forced 
the evacuation of nearly one hundred fifty thousand people, there have 
been four other nuclear accidents in the U.S. involving at least 
partial core meltdown.<SUP>3</SUP>
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    The potential consequences of a serious accident are staggering. A 
1982 study by the Sandia National Laboratories found that a serious 
accident at a U.S. nuclear reactor could cause hundreds to thousands of 
deaths in the near term.<SUP>4</SUP> In 1985, in response to a question 
posed by Representative Markey, an NRC commissioner responded that 
there was a 45% chance of a severe nuclear accident in the following 
twenty years.
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    \4\ Union of Concerned Scientists, Nuclear Plant Safety: Will the 
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    Nuclear power plants are not secure. The tragic events of September 
11, 2001 have raised serious concerns about safety and security at 
nuclear facilities in this country. Many facilities cannot even meet 
the current security requirements widely considered to be inadequate. 
Nearly half have failed to repel small groups of intruders on foot in 
``force-on-force'' exercises conducted by the Nuclear Regulatory 
Commission. Researchers at Princeton University found that an attack on 
irradiated fuel stored at nuclear power plants could cause 
contamination problems 8 to 70 times worse than those caused by the 
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    Even before September 11, we were very concerned about the safety 
of nuclear reactors currently operating in this country. We are 
encouraged to see that the draft legislation maintains amendments added 
by Rep. Markey and Waxman in last year's markup (Sections 4012, 4013). 
However, these requirements are not enough to guarantee adequate 
protection from the radiation released in case of terrorist attacks or 
accident.
    For example, Dr. Ed Lyman of the Nuclear Control Institute 
estimates that a terrorist attack on the Indian Point 3 nuclear power 
plant resulting in core melting and containment breach would result in 
an 1500 fold increase in childhood thyroid cancer for children living 
35 miles downwind.<SUP>6</SUP> Despite these and other risks, the 
Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has insisted that the NRC does not 
have to consider the environmental impacts of terrorist attacks on 
licensing new and existing facilities since the threat is 
``speculative.'' Despite studies that show harmful impacts beyond 
current evacuation zone boundaries, NRC insists on limiting emergency 
evacuation zones to only 10 miles.
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    This committee should require that NRC be obligated to consider the 
risk of a terrorist attack on licensing new facilities and extending 
the license on existing facilities. The NRC should increase emergency 
evacuation zones to fifty miles and re-evaluate the adequacy of 
existing evacuation plans to take into account the threat of attacks. 
Finally, Congress should restore states' rights and give governors the 
right to veto the siting or license extension of facilities that pose a 
significant public safety risk.
    NRC does not adequately regulate the ongoing safety of nuclear 
power plants. There is a consistent pattern and history of lax NRC 
enforcement and oversight ranging from fire prevention to worker 
fatigue. The agency is focused on increasing the industry's 
profitability, not protecting humans and the environment.
    We are concerned that utility deregulation and new ownership of 
reactors may increase risks of accidents because of increased pressure 
to run the plants closer to the margin. This risk is heightened by the 
fact that the 103 operating reactors around the country are 
deteriorating with age more quickly than expected. Even Vice President 
Cheney acknowledged the aging problem on the television show 
``Hardball'' (March 21, 2001): ``[T]oday nuclear power--produces 20 
percent of our electricity, but that's going to go down over time--
because some of these plants are wearing out.'' Despite industry's 
claims that nuclear power is ``safe'', at least ten existing reactors 
have experiencing aging-related shutdowns since January 
2000.<SUP>7</SUP> One aging-related problem is reactor embrittlement. 
Cracks in the reactor vessel caused by constant neutron bombardment 
could lead to a meltdown. When problems were found, the Nuclear 
Regulatory Commission (NRC) simply changed the safety margins and 
allowed the utilities to recalculate their compliance. The recent 
events at a reactor in Ohio expose a serious problem in NRC's 
management culture and decision-making.
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    In November of 2001, the NRC allowed FirstEnergy, the owner of the 
Davis-Besse plant in Ohio to ignore warning signs, then delay a 
shutdown for three months. Inspectors found a six-inch hole in the 
reactor cover that had only millimeters left until it breached the 
cover. According to interviews with NRC personnel, the agency backed 
down from issuing a safety-related shutdown order after FirstEnergy 
argued vigorously against a shutdown at that time because they didn't 
want bad publicity nor a drop in their financial ratings. At least one 
NRC employee felt that the company withheld important information about 
evidence of serious corrosion.<SUP>8</SUP> The NRC's decision to let 
the plant operate and rake in profits a few months longer even with 
evidence of serious problems jeopardized the health and safety of the 
surrounding communities.
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    Steam generators are also susceptible to premature degradation. The 
failure of as few as ten tubes can lead to a reactor meltdown, yet the 
NRC has inadequate steam generator tube standards. For example, the 
Indian Point 2 nuclear power plant is located 35 miles north of New 
York City, along the Hudson River. It had been scheduled for steam 
generator tube replacement in 1993, yet this never happened thanks to 
increasingly lax NRC requirements. On February 2, 2000, a tube 
ruptured, releasing radioactive steam.
    We are astonished that the industry and the regulatory agency have 
been lobbying for an even greater relaxation of safety standards and 
oversight and limiting the public's access to these processes. This 
committee should exercise its oversight over NRC's operations. It 
should demand that the commission fully enforce its own safety 
regulations and report to Congress monthly on its progress.
    Nuclear power is unreliable. Complex and often mis-managed nuclear 
power plants are subject to frequent fires, leaks and other accidents. 
For example in 2001, the Nuclear Energy Institute's website boasts that 
``Increased Nuclear Output Would Satisfy California's Residential 
Demand.'' <SUP>9</SUP> It failed to mention a February 3 fire at the 
San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station that shut the plant for weeks and 
was a key factor in rolling blackouts in California.
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    Nuclear power is uneconomic. Nuclear power would not exist in this 
country today if it weren't for enormous subsidies paid for by 
ratepayers and taxpayers. Originally touted as being ``too cheap to 
meter'', nuclear power plants are still too expensive for America. The 
nuclear industry has received the vast majority of energy research and 
development funding, a special taxpayer-backed insurance policy known 
as the Price Anderson Act, unjustified electric rates from state 
regulators, enormous and unwarranted bailouts in state deregulation 
plans, taxpayer-funded cleanup of uranium enrichment sites plus a 
giveaway of the Uranium Enrichment Corporation, and an ultimately 
taxpayer-funded nuclear waste dump. Many of the issues I raise here are 
described in more detail in the Green Scissors report 
(www.greenscissors.org) released by U.S. PIRG, Taxpayers for Common 
Sense and Friends of the Earth.
    It is incredible that the nuclear industry shamelessly revises 
history to pretend that it has transformed itself into a cost effective 
energy source. This is an industry that is addicted to government 
handouts, like an addict, it continues to ask for more handouts.
    Congress should oppose nuclear research and development funding. 
According to the Congressional Research Service, nuclear research and 
development has gotten more than 60%, or $66 billion in energy research 
and development funding from 1948-1998. Led by Representative Markey, 
Mark Foley and others, Congress wisely killed funding for the gas-
cooled reactor and the breeder reactor, saving taxpayers at least $5.6 
billion.
    Now proposals to revive research programs to develop these 
uneconomic and dangerous reactors are creeping into the Department of 
Energy's budget. We are extremely disappointed that the subcommittee 
draft legislation includes authorization of nearly $2 billion in 
commercial nuclear research and development subsidies. These programs 
are pure corporate welfare for an industry that has never paid its own 
way. DOE's own studies (referenced in the draft legislation) 
<SUP>10</SUP> show that new reactors developed through taxpayer-funded 
programs such as Generation IV and Nuclear Power 2010 are not cost-
competitive. Private utilities are not interested in building new 
nuclear plants. Despite DOE's squandering taxpayer dollars on the gas-
cooled reactor known as the Pebble Bed Modular Reactor, the project's 
lone U.S. supporter, Exelon has pulled out of the project. This reactor 
design remains uncompetitive despite the fact that its developers 
propose cutting costs by not building containment.
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    DOE commissioned a report by Scully Capital called ``Business Case 
for New Nuclear Power Plants,'' <SUP>11</SUP>which concludes that 
existing taxpayer backed insurance (known as the Price Anderson Act), 
federal research and development funds and ultimately federally-funded 
nuclear waste program are not enough to make these new reactors cost-
competitive. Instead it recommends a mind-boggling suite of new 
subsidies including: a federal energy credit program, low interest 
loans, power purchase agreements (at up to 50% more than market 
rates!), emissions credits and additional insurance. This report 
estimates that the federal government would have to spend at least $1.5 
to 2.75 billion in subsidies to bring down the capital costs of five 
new nuclear plants. This estimate does not include any additional 
subsidies for nuclear waste disposal, siting and permitting the new 
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    Congress should oppose programs, which increase the threat of 
nuclear proliferation. Plutonium, an element that can only be produced 
in nuclear reactors, is the material of choice for nuclear weapons. All 
reactors produce it, but it must be separated from highly radioactive 
irradiated fuel before it can be used in weapons. This separation 
process is known as ``reprocessing.'' For at least two decades, the 
United States has had a policy against reprocessing waste from 
commercial nuclear reactors and not allowing plutonium to be used as 
fuel in nuclear reactors to prevent the proliferation of weapons-usable 
material. There are several DOE projects and provisions in the draft 
legislation that violate this common-sense policy or otherwise increase 
the risk of nuclear proliferation. At a time when U.S. citizens are 
asked to sacrifice to reduce the risk of rogue nations deploying 
nuclear weapons, these programs will make the world an even more 
dangerous place.
    Section 6431, the Advanced Fuel Recycling Program specifically 
reverses the decades-long U.S. policy against reprocessing commercial 
nuclear waste. It advocates reprocessing commercial nuclear fuel and 
using several types of reactors, including breeder reactors, to 
allegedly reduce the volume and toxicity of the waste. Nuclear 
``breeder reactors'' can be configured to produce plutonium. Congress 
wisely killed the U.S. breeder reactor program in 1994, citing economic 
and non-proliferation concerns. The breeder reactor supporters ignore 
the dismal failure of France's breeder reactor program and the chance 
of a reactor explosion if the coolant (usually highly reactive sodium) 
leaks.
    A January 2003 report, entitled ``Report to Congress on Advanced 
Fuel Cycle Initiative: The Future Path for Advanced Spent Fuel 
Treatment and Transmutation Research, admits that this costly program 
will not obviate the need for a geologic repository. Further it 
contradicts itself with regard to nuclear non-proliferation. First, it 
claims that the program can ``destroy'' plutonium thus reducing the 
risks of this material falling into the wrong hands.<SUP>12</SUP> On 
the same page, however, it touts the potential for a commercial nuclear 
fuel cycle based on the plutonium separated from existing irradiated 
fuel--a program that would dramatically increase the risk of weapons 
materials falling into the wrong hands by putting separated plutonium 
into commercial nuclear reactors!
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    \12\ Report to Congress on Advanced Fuel Cycle Initiative: The 
Future Path for Advanced Spent Fuel Treatment and Transmutation 
Research, DOE, January 2003, p. II-6.
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    Congress should phase out the Price Anderson Act. We oppose 
extension of the Price Anderson Act, which expired in August 2002, and 
then was reauthorized for one year in the recently passed Omnibus 
Appropriations bill. This insurance program is an unwarranted taxpayer 
subsidy to the nuclear industry that has no parallel in any other 
industry. This law, passed in 1957 and amended in 1988 provides 
taxpayer-funded insurance for the nuclear industry in the event of an 
accident. In case of an accident at a nuclear power plant, the industry 
gets a guarantee of limited liability while the public gets no 
guarantee of full compensation. This confers a substantial annual 
subsidy to the nuclear industry in terms of foregone insurance 
premiums. The Price-Anderson Act also provides blanket indemnity to 
Department of Energy contractors, even in cases of intentional 
misconduct and gross negligence. While we are encouraged by some of the 
House-passed provisions that would: re-evaluate nuclear security 
measures, require consultation with the Department of Homeland Security 
and allow for civil penalties in the case of intentional misconduct by 
a DOE contractor, this committee should reject Title IV, Subtitle A 
which reauthorizes the Price Anderson Act. Not only does this section 
reauthorize the Act for an additional fifteen years, it allows new, 
untested ``modular'' reactors to pay less money in case of an accident. 
If nuclear power is as ``safe'' as its proponents claim, there is no 
need for a limit on industry liability.
    Protect citizens from unjustified rate increases and bailouts at 
the state level. We oppose the draft legislation's repeal of the Public 
Utility Holding Company Act of 1935, one of the only laws still on the 
books that protects electricity consumers. In analyzing current 
electricity problems, it is important to recognize the magnitude of the 
ratepayer subsidies enjoyed by this industry and the role these 
subsidies have played in blocking competition and propping up 
economically marginal nuclear power plants.
    In the 1980's, the PIRGs successfully blocked unjustified rate 
increases for nuclear power mismanagement. As states across the country 
restructured their electricity markets, the promise to consumers was 
that these changes would provide competition among electricity 
providers. Instead, utilities lobbied, and for the most part received, 
an unjustified ratepayer-funded bailout of their uneconomic 
investments, usually nuclear power plants. The PIRGs, free market, and 
other consumer and environmental groups in several states fought back 
against these requests for ``stranded cost'' recovery. We argued that 
these bailouts were unjustified and unfair to consumers and would 
hamper efforts to shift towards clean energy. According to a report 
released in 1998 with the Safe Energy Communication Council entitled 
``Ratepayer Robbery'' we estimated these bailouts could total more than 
$112 billion for just eleven states. There is strong evidence that 
without these bailouts, almost half of the nuclear power plants would 
have shut down. Instead, aging plants have been given a new lease on 
life, are in some cases, still shielded from market forces. Some have 
been sold at rock-bottom prices to new owners who have every incentive 
to run them close to the margin. Instead of repealing electricity 
consumer protection laws, the subcommittee should strengthen consumer 
protections and block the continued bailout of the nuclear industry 
through ``stranded cost'' provisions.
    Curb taxpayer costs for nuclear waste and index the fee to 
inflation. The nuclear industry is the only industry that we are aware 
of which has a government program to guarantee disposal of lethal 
waste. We agree with the industry that the DOE has mismanaged the 
program. However, our solution is stop spending money on the program 
and insure that enough money is collected now to adequately cover 
future costs of a sound waste disposal program. A 1998 financial review 
commissioned by the State of Nevada concluded that the funding 
shortfall for the program would range from $12 to $17 billion in 1996 
dollars. We urge that the Nuclear Waste Fund Fee be indexed to 
inflation so that there will be adequate funds to cover the ultimate 
cost of nuclear waste disposition.
    There is no current sound solution for the nuclear waste problem. 
Nuclear waste is one of the most dangerous substances created by 
humans. This waste remains dangerous for at least a quarter of a 
million years (based on the decay of Pu-239). One would expect that 
policies for dealing with this lethal material would be based on sound 
science and protecting public health. Instead nuclear waste policies in 
this country have been based on political expediency. The incredible 
problems faced by citizens living near former DOE weapons sites, such 
as Hanford, Washington should be a lesson to those who want to ignore 
science and public health. Irradiated fuel from nuclear reactors is 
perhaps the most toxic material generated by humans. Unshielded, it 
delivers a lethal dose of radiation within seconds. According to the 
Department of Energy, 95% of the radioactive waste (by radioactivity) 
in this country has been generated by commercial nuclear reactors.
    We believe that the current project should be stopped, as the 
proposed dump site at Yucca Mountain cannot meet current standards for 
containing the waste. In 1998, PIRG and more than one hundred 
environmental, consumer and safe energy organizations petitioned then-
Energy Secretary Richardson to disqualify Yucca Mountain because it 
would not meet current standards for containing the waste. Instead, DOE 
weakened the site guidelines, a clear case of changing the rules when 
science gives the answer that is not wanted.
    Last year, Congress ignored serious safety concerns including the 
risk of transporting this waste across the country, and overrode the 
State of Nevada's veto to designate Yucca Mountain, Nevada as the 
nation's nuclear waste dump. The Bush Administration's 2004 budget 
proposal would reserve funds specifically for the Yucca Mountain 
project within discretionary cap adjustments for 2004 and 2005. This 
proposal would inappropriately limit the discretionary authority of 
appropriators to balance various budget priorities, essentially 
granting the DOE a blank check for Yucca Mountain spending. The General 
Accounting Office reported last year that, ``DOE currently does not 
have a reliable estimate of when, and at what cost, a license 
application can be submitted or a repository can be opened.''
    We urge this committee to re-examine nuclear waste policy and 
develop a public, fair process based on sound science and protecting 
the public for deciding the ultimate fate of this extremely dangerous 
material. No country in the world has a permanent solution to this 
problem. The U.S. should reject its current mismanaged program that 
relies on changing the rules when the science isn't favorable to the 
industry's solution. Instead, we should show leadership by developing a 
solution focused on sound science and protecting the public.

                               CONCLUSION

    Nuclear power is unsafe, uneconomic, unreliable and generates waste 
for which there is no sound solution. It is a failed technology of the 
past and would not exist were it not for enormous and unjustified 
government subsidies and policies. The U.S. should do everything it can 
to protect the health and safety of the public as well as our 
pocketbooks. Nuclear power should be phased out as quickly as possible 
and replaced by energy efficiency and clean renewable energy.

                STATEMENT OF JEFFREY A. BENJAMIN

    Mr. Benjamin. Chairman Barton, Ranking Member Boucher and 
members of the subcommittee. My name is Jeff Benjamin, Vice 
President of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs for Exelon 
Nuclear.
    I have also led our company's efforts to respond to the 
security issues following the tragic events of September 11, 
2001. My background includes working at four different reactor 
sites over the past 17 years, including as a Site Vice 
President at Exelon's LaSalle generating station.
    Exelon is the largest operator of nuclear plants in the 
United States. We own and operate 17 reactors at 10 sites in 3 
States, which represents approximately 20 percent of the 
commercial industry here in the United States.
    I am particularly grateful for the opportunity to discuss 
the matters before you today regarding legislation to define 
and implement the comprehensive energy policy for this country.
    Mr. Chairman, throughout my career in the nuclear power 
industry, safe operation of our plants and the safety of the 
public has been job one.
    We recognize that operating our plant safely is essential, 
both from a public confidence standpoint and as a matter of 
good business economics.
    The safe operation of our plants also includes providing 
effective security to protect the public from radiological 
sabotage. Since September 11, the nuclear industry has taken 
numerous and comprehensive steps to further strengthen security 
at our sites.
    We have discussed these steps before you previously and 
maintain those improvements today. Suffice to say, with these 
improvement in place, we have added real security over the past 
17 months.
    Security measures that complement the pre-existing robust 
security that we had in place prior to September 2001. Recently 
the Nuclear Regulatory Commission provided the industry with an 
opportunity to comment on the staff view of adversary 
attributes for radiological sabotage.
    This staff document contains a proposed change to the 
design basis threat which defines the nature of threats against 
which we are responsible for defending against.
    The current NRC proposal contains several significant 
changes, that if implemented, present a number of considerable 
policy and legal challenges.
    Challenges that also translate to other critical 
infrastructure. The issue at the heart of these challenges is 
improperly defining the division of responsibility between a 
civilian guard force and government, largely law enforcement 
and the military.
    We have asked the NRC to resolve these issues, in full 
consultation with the Department of Homeland Security and 
Congress prior to proceeding with a revised design basis 
threat.
    The NRC seems intent on issuing a revised design basis 
threat prior to resolving these issues. But the steps we have 
taken to strengthen security to date, we have the time to do 
this right.
    We also feel that the creation of the Department of 
Homeland Security has defined the appropriate structure for 
threat assessment, response and recovery and has obviated the 
need for any additional legislation in these areas.
    Much of what is included in Section 4012 of your bill has 
been overtaken by events and should be reconsidered. I would 
now like to discuss Exelon's view on the viability of nuclear 
option going forward.
    Our company has a consistent standard for operating our 
nuclear plants. We will only operate them if they are both 
economical and safe.
    I would like to start by addressing the notion that our 
industry is heavily subsidized. First of all, and I believe 
this is unique from other fuel sources, our industry pays for 
the cost of being regulated by the NRC, through the NRC's 
collection of fees.
    Second, we pay for the existence of an industry watch dog 
group, the Institute of Nuclear Power Operations, who's main 
focus is plant safety and the sharing of best practices.
    And third, and again, unlike the other forms of generation, 
we prepay our ultimate environmental clean up costs through 
decommission funds and the payments to the Nuclear Waste Fund.
    Last year alone Exelon paid close to $119 million into the 
Waste Fund. Collectively, this prevents future generations from 
inheriting the burden of radiological decommissioning and waste 
disposal after our plants have shut down.
    Our position on new reactors is simply that we believe that 
nuclear power is an option that must be maintained. We also 
believe that any new nuclear investment must be based on 
rigorous financial and risk evaluations that reflect the 
reality of a deregulated market.
    Exelon has also been aggressive in upgrading the output of 
our units. And we have done that safely. Since 1998, in 
Illinois alone, we have added nearly 800 megawatts of capacity 
to our existing plants at a cost of just under $300 per 
installed kilowatt.
    This compares roughly to $600 to $650 per installed 
kilowatt for a new combined cycle gas turbine and roughly 
$1,000 to $1,100 an installed kilowatt for a new coal plant.
    Over the past 4 years, concurrent with installing these 
upgrades, we have operated our plants more efficiently and 
safely than ever before. Exelon has also submitted an 
application to the NRC to extend the licenses for Peach Bottom, 
Quad Cities and Dresden, for an additional 20 years.
    The preparation of the Peach Bottom submittal alone 
involved over 30 man years of engineering effort to meet NRC 
application requirements and to assure the plant can operate 
safely for another 20 years.
    We are expecting approval of our Peach Bottom submittal in 
May. The cost of this effort equates to less than $10 an 
installed kilowatt, for another 20 years of 2,300 megawatts of 
generation.
    As a final point regarding the overall economics of our 
plants, in the year 2002, we operated our nuclear fleet at a 
capacity factor of 92.7 percent.
    Our production costs, which includes our operating and 
maintenance costs and fuel, was 1.3 cents a kilowatt hour. Our 
all end costs for 2002, which includes everything from 
operating and capital expense to fuel, our property taxes and 
our mortgage, was 2.01 cents per kilowatt hour.
    These costs remain relatively steady even with cold 
weather. Fuel is not a major driver to our costs. Our costs are 
driven by operating and maintenance expenses.
    One simply needs to compare these generation costs with 
recent volatility in the spot electricity prices to recognize 
the stable yet cost-efficient role of nuclear power.
    In summary, we recognize the special importance placed on 
our industry to operate our plant safely. However, we also feel 
that nuclear has an appropriate an important role in assuring 
the energy security of America in the future. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Jeffrey A. Benjamin follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Jeffrey A. Benjamin, Vice President, Licensing 
               and Regulatory Affairs, Exelon Corporation

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee: I am Jeff Benjamin, 
Vice President of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs for Exelon Nuclear, 
a subsidiary of Exelon Corporation.
    Thank you for the opportunity to share Exelon Corporation's views 
on the nuclear energy provisions of Chairman Barton's draft 
comprehensive energy legislation being considered by the Subcommittee.
    Exelon Corporation is one of the largest electric suppliers in the 
United States, with major interregional operations in generation, 
transmission, distribution and marketing. Our two utilities, 
Commonwealth Edison of Chicago and PECO Energy of Philadelphia, serve 
approximately 5.1 million retail customers, the largest customer base 
in the country. Exelon and our affiliates own or control generation 
totaling over 40,000 megawatts, the largest generation portfolio in the 
country. Our wholesale power marketing division, known as the Power 
Team, markets the output of our generation portfolio throughout the 
lower 48 states and Canada with a perfect delivery record.
    Exelon Nuclear owns the nation's largest fleet of commercial 
nuclear plants, operating 17 reactors at 10 sites in Illinois, 
Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. These plants--with 17,800 net megawatts 
of total operating capacity--represent roughly 20 percent of the 
nuclear capacity in the United States.
    During 2002, Exelon's fleet of nuclear plants operated at an 
average capacity factor of over 92 percent and produced 118.7 million 
megawatt-hours of electricity, about 3 percent of all the electricity 
generated in the United States last year. All of this electricity was 
generated without emitting any criteria air pollutants or greenhouse 
gases. In fact, Exelon's nuclear fleet avoided the emissions of over 
119 million tons of CO<INF>2</INF> during 2002.
    Exelon achieved this performance while refueling 11 reactors in a 
record average of 22 days and completing the year without a single 
lost-time or restricted-duty injury at 9 of our 10 plant sites.
    As Congress considers changes to America's energy policy, it is 
important to recognize the role of nuclear power and to make changes to 
Federal policy that will promote a diversity of generation technologies 
in the future. Exelon firmly believes that nuclear power will continue 
to play a valuable role in providing the nation with a safe, 
affordable, and environmentally-friendly supply of electricity, and I 
encourage the committee to move forward with many of the nuclear 
energy-related proposals included in Chairman Barton's draft 
legislation.

                          COMMENTS ON TITLE IV

Subtitle A. Price-Anderson Act Renewal
    Subtitle A of Title IV would renew the Price-Anderson Act, 
legislation that ensures that the public is quickly compensated in the 
event of a radiological event at a commercial nuclear reactor. Exelon 
supports Price-Anderson renewal, both to continue the operation of our 
current fleet of nuclear plants with contractor support and to provide 
an essential prerequisite to the potential construction of new nuclear 
plants.
    While the draft legislation includes the Price-Anderson provisions 
approved by the House of Representatives last year, Exelon would 
encourage the committee to support the Price-Anderson renewal language 
for commercial nuclear facilities that was agreed to last year by House 
and Senate conferees to H.R. 4 during conference committee 
consideration of that legislation.
    One section of the draft proposal that was not included in last 
year's conference agreement (Section 4012) addresses the issue of 
nuclear facility threats. This section of the bill would direct the 
President, in conjunction with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) 
and other federal, state and local agencies and private entities, to 
assess the types of threats faced by commercial nuclear facilities. The 
provision would also direct the President to assess the nature of any 
threat posed by enemies of the United States and to classify threats as 
being the primary responsibility of the Federal government or NRC 
licensees.
    Much of what is included in Section 4012 has been overtaken by 
events, namely the creation of the Department of Homeland and the NRC's 
current effort to develop a revised Design Basis Threat. However, 
Exelon believes that it remains critical for all relevant agencies of 
the Federal government--in conjunction with state and local agencies 
and private entities--to fully examine the new threat environment 
facing the nation's critical infrastructure industries and to classify 
threats as being the primary responsibility of either the government or 
private industry. This should be done prior to the issuance of a new 
Design Basis Threat.
    Additional comments on the issue of nuclear security are included 
later in my testimony.

Subtitle B. Miscellaneous Matters
    Subtitle B includes a number of miscellaneous provisions to amend 
the Atomic Energy Act.
    Section 4021 would clarify that the 40-year license period for 
commercial nuclear reactors begins once the reactor commences 
operation, not upon approval of the license. Exelon supports this 
change, which codifies existing Commission policy.
    Sections 4022 through 4025 address miscellaneous NRC-related issues 
that have been requested by the Commission. Exelon has no objection to 
these provisions.
    Sections 4026 through 4028 include provisions requested by the NRC 
to address security-related issues. Exelon has no objection to these 
provisions.

                            NUCLEAR SECURITY

    Protection of the health and safety of the public and our employees 
is of paramount importance to the nuclear power industry. The industry 
has worked closely with a variety of Federal, state and local officials 
to identify safeguards and resources necessary to respond to potential 
threats to plant security, and we are fully supportive of taking all 
reasonable and necessary steps--whether they be by licensees or the 
government--to ensure that nuclear plants are able to withstand an 
attack by terrorists.
    Commercial nuclear power plants are regarded by many to be the most 
well-protected industrial facilities in the United States today. 
Indeed, many other industries are turning to the nuclear industry as a 
model for providing security at a variety of commercial facilities. For 
example, in addition to unique physical protections employed at 
commercial nuclear facilities, the nuclear industry is alone among 
critical infrastructure industries in using the Federal Bureau of 
Investigations to run criminal background checks on applicants for 
positions at sensitive facilities.
    Since September 11, 2001, the nuclear industry has undertaken 
extensive measures to enhance security at the nation's 72 commercial 
nuclear reactor sites, including actions to harden site access, 
increase security resources, and improve operational readiness.
    To harden site access, Exelon has:

<bullet> established armed owner control area checkpoints for all 
        vehicles entering the site;
<bullet> implemented additional vehicle pre-screening and control of 
        all on-site deliveries upon entry to the owner-controlled area;
<bullet> positioned barriers to prevent access at alternate Owner 
        Controlled Area entrances;
<bullet> restricted visitor access to those required for essential 
        plant work;
<bullet> extended background checks for all personnel with temporary 
        unescorted access; and
<bullet> checked employee databases against FBI watch lists of 
        suspected terrorists from all known terrorist organizations.
    To increase security resources, Exelon has:

<bullet> increased the number of security officers at each site;
<bullet> procured additional weapons and upgraded armaments;
<bullet> added armed security posts at key plant locations;
<bullet> increased security presence at the site entrance; and
<bullet> posted local law enforcement and, at times, National Guard 
        units at site entrances.
    To enhance operational readiness, Exelon has:

<bullet> enhanced plant procedures and operator training for use during 
        an attack or credible threat;
<bullet> implemented a fleet-wide threat assessment procedure to 
        respond to threat situations;
<bullet> elevated attention to security and fire protection related 
        equipment; and
<bullet> established protocol for augmented federal and state law 
        enforcement assistance and intervention.
    Mr. Chairman, I want to stress the multiplicity of concrete actions 
we have taken since September 11, 2001, to respond to the increased 
security needs of our Nation and to further enhance our already 
substantial preparedness.

Revision of the Design Basis Threat
    Since shortly after September 11, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 
has been engaged in a top-to-bottom review of the Design Basis Threat 
(DBT), which defines the nature of threats against which nuclear plant 
operators are responsible for defending, to reevaluate its adequacy. As 
an interim measure, the Commission issued Orders on February 25, 2002, 
that impose significant additional requirements on licensees pending 
the completion of a more comprehensive review of safeguards and 
security program requirements.
    On January 2, 2003, the NRC provided the nuclear industry an 
opportunity to comment on the ``Staff View of Adversary Attributes for 
Radiological Sabotage.'' This staff document contains a proposed change 
to the Design Basis Threat. The NRC proposal contains several 
significant changes that, if implemented, present a number of 
considerable policy and legal challenges. These challenges must be 
addressed by the NRC, in formal consultation with the Department of 
Homeland Security, other relevant Departments of the Administration, 
state and local responders and Congress, prior to moving forward with 
changes to the current DBT.

                      THE FUTURE OF NUCLEAR ENERGY

    I would now like to discuss Exelon's view on the viability of the 
nuclear option going forward. Exelon has had a consistent standard for 
operating our nuclear plants--we will only operate them if they are 
economical and safe. Opponents of nuclear power frequently claim that 
the nuclear industry is heavily subsidized. Yet, unlike other 
generation sources, the nuclear industry incurs several costs unique to 
electric generators. First, our industry pays for the cost of being 
regulated by a Federal entity (the Nuclear Regulatory Commission) 
through the payment of NRC user fees. Second, the industry funds an 
``industry watchdog'' group--the Institute of Nuclear Power 
Operations--whose main focus is plant safety and the sharing of best 
practices. Third, the industry fully prepays our ultimate environmental 
cleanup costs through plant-specific decommissioning funds and the 
Nuclear Waste Fund. This prevents future generations from inheriting 
the burden of radiological decommissioning and waste disposal after our 
plants have shut down.
    With regard to new nuclear plants, Exelon strongly believes that 
nuclear power is an option for the future that must be maintained. We 
also believe that any new nuclear investment must be based on rigorous 
financial and risk evaluations that reflect the reality of a 
deregulated market.
    We are one of three companies pursuing approval of an Early Site 
Permit (ESP) from the NRC. We are seeking an ESP for our Clinton site 
in central Illinois with the objective of ``banking'' the site for 
potential use in the future (the permit would be good for 20 years). 
Importantly, this process will serve to test the NRC's process for 
determining site adequacy. We are also working with the NRC through NEI 
to develop improved licensing processes for the consideration of new 
plants. All of these efforts are focused on ensuring that when new 
plants are built there is a well-defined and predictable regulatory 
process in place.
    Even without the addition of new plants, the industry is 
dramatically increasing the amount of electricity generated from the 
nuclear sector. Exelon has been a leader in uprating the output of our 
existing units. In Illinois alone, we have added nearly 800 megawatts 
of capacity to our plants since 1998 at a cost of just under $300/
installed kilowatt. This compares to roughly $800-1000/installed 
kilowatt to build a new gas or coal plant. Coincident with these 
uprates, our plants are running more efficiently and safely than ever 
before.
    The industry has also been active in pursuing the renewal of 
operating licenses for existing plants. Exelon has submitted an 
application to the NRC to extend the licenses for Peach Bottom, Quad 
Cities, and Dresden for an additional 20 years. The preparation of the 
Peach Bottom submittal alone involved over 30 man-years of engineering 
effort to meet the application requirements and to assure the plant can 
operate safely for another 20 years. We are expecting approval of our 
Peach Bottom submittal in May.

                               CONCLUSION

    Mr. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to discuss these issues 
with you. Exelon looks forward to working with you and members of the 
subcommittee as you consider energy legislation this year.

                   STATEMENT OF EDWIN S. LYMAN

    Mr. Lyman. I would like to thank Chairman Barton and the 
other distinguished members of the subcommittee for the 
opportunity to present the views of the Nuclear Control 
Institute on the role that nuclear power should play in a 
comprehensive national energy policy.
    In the post-September 11, era, this issue merits most 
careful consideration. The Nuclear Control Institute is not an 
anti-nuclear organization. However, we do believe that the 
nuclear industry and its regulator, the NRC, have an 
extraordinary obligation to ensure that this inherently 
dangerous technology is used as wisely, safely and securely as 
possible.
    We also believe that the Department of Energy has a 
responsibility to respect longstanding U.S. non-proliferation 
policy in considering the development of new nuclear 
technologies, both in its domestic and international 
cooperative research programs.
    We cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of the early 
promoters of nuclear energy, who's lack of foresight has 
contributed in no small measure to real and growing threat of 
nuclear and radiological terrorism that Americans face today.
    Unfortunately, the lackluster response of the NRC to the 
urgent nuclear security concerns after September 11, calls into 
question is credibility as a responsible regulator.
    And DOE's misguided plans to revive spent fuel reprocessing 
and plutonium recycling in the U.S., and to encourage it 
abroad, albeit under the guise of proliferation resistant 
technology, will only increase the threat of nuclear 
proliferation and nuclear terrorism in the world.
    It is therefore up to Congress to ensure that any nuclear 
component of a national energy policy be fully consistent with 
the fundamental objectives of Homeland Security and non-
proliferation.
    This requirement raises difficult issues. It is becoming 
increasing apparent that effective Homeland Security cannot be 
brought on the cheek.
    It may turn out that the cost of measures needed to protect 
Americans from nuclear and radiological terrorism will be too 
great for the nuclear industry to bear and remain economically 
viable.
    But if the security of nuclear facilities can be guaranteed 
only with public subsidy, Congress should assess how its 
constituents feel about using their tax money for this purpose.
    If public reaction is negative, Congress needs to 
reconsider the role of nuclear energy in the future and whether 
efforts should be directed toward technologies that present 
less tempting terrorist targets.
    I would now like to discuss a few specific objectives I 
think are necessary for responsible nuclear energy policy. If 
nuclear power is to have a continuing role in the Nation's 
energy mix, there has to be a fundamental change in our 
approach to protecting nuclear plants and materials from being 
used as terror instruments.
    Nearly 18 months after September 11, NRC is still dragging 
its heels in putting into place a new frame work for nuclear 
facility protection.
    The industry is bitterly resisting any new security 
requirements that will cost it money, and policymakers appear 
no closer to resolving a crucial issue.
    And I agree with Mr. Benjamin. This is crucial. Who should 
have responsibility for protecting nuclear facilities against 
September 11 scale threats?
    Congressional action is needed to break these logjams and 
the section on nuclear facility threats in the draft energy 
bill is a step in the right direction.
    The draft legislation would authorize a Presidential review 
of threats to nuclear facilities in consultation with NRC and 
other appropriate agencies. I believe that this review is 
needed.
    Because the current decision, a revised design basis 
threat, is being made entirely within NRC, including closed 
door consultations with the industry on the impact of the 
revision on its financial bottom line.
    This isn't appropriate. The magnitude of today's threat 
should be based on the best intelligence information, something 
utility executives are not in a position to assess.
    And the decision on where the responsibility in the 
industry stops and that of the Federal Government begins, 
definitely deserves a wider range of discussions.
    Now a related issue is the private sector is having 
difficulty providing security forces that are flexible enough 
to adjust rapidly to changes in the homeland security threat 
status.
    Utilities are unwilling to hire new security guards to meet 
the greater demands associated with an increase in the status 
if it appears the alert will only last for a short time.
    But this means the existing guard forces are being burdened 
with excessive over time in exactly the times they need to be 
at peak levels of alertness.
    Federal and other public resources, such as a reserve force 
of nuclear responders may be needed to smooth out these 
transitions.
    Other issues that should be considered are the impact of a 
jet attack on a nuclear plant and what defenses maybe 
necessary, which again would be a responsibility we believe of 
the Federal Government.
    Also, the draft bill's provisions to establish and 
operational safeguards response evaluation program are needed 
because the current program, even though NRC is putting into 
place, still have a number of weaknesses, including it is going 
to remain a voluntary program for at least another year.
    And I think that they need to have enforcement and NRC 
should have the ability to choose the plants that it wants to 
test. We shouldn't wait for the industry to come forward and 
put their best foot forward.
    Finally, other issues, such as new plant design approval, 
license renewal, new plant siting, should take into account the 
potential for terrorism.
    For instance, for plant siting, there should a required 
assessment of the desirability of plant locations as terrorist 
targets from the standpoint of symbolic value, consequences, 
and inability to evacuate the area.
    This would help to avoid ill-advised siting decisions, such 
as the one that allowed Indian Point to be built only 30 miles 
from New York City.
    Many of these issues could be addressed in NEPA 
proceedings, but the NRC has recently ruled that out as far as 
its own NEPA activities goes.
    And so I believe Congress should mandate the NRC carry out 
homeland security impact assessments for all significant agency 
actions.
    In summary, we need to solve today's outstanding security 
problems affecting the nuclear industry before we can guarantee 
a long term role for nuclear power in our country. Thank you 
very much.
    [The prepared statement of Edwin S. Lyman follows:]

   Prepared Statement of Edwin S. Lyman, President, Nuclear Control 
                               Institute

    I would like to thank Chairman Barton and the other distinguished 
members of the Subcommittee for the opportunity to present the views of 
the Nuclear Control Institute on the role that nuclear power should 
play in a comprehensive national energy policy. In the post-September 
11 era, this issue merits most careful consideration.
    The Nuclear Control Institute is not an anti-nuclear organization. 
However, we do believe that the nuclear industry and its regulator, the 
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, have an extraordinary obligation to the 
American people to ensure that this inherently dangerous technology is 
used as wisely, safely and securely as possible. We also believe that 
the Department of Energy has a responsibility to respect long-standing 
U.S. nonproliferation policy in pursuing the development of new nuclear 
technologies, both in its domestic and international cooperative 
research programs. We cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of the early 
promoters of nuclear energy, whose lack of foresight has contributed in 
no small measure to the real and growing threat of nuclear and 
radiological terrorism that Americans face today.
    Unfortunately, the lackluster response of the NRC to the urgent 
nuclear security concerns that arose after the September 11 attacks 
calls into question its credibility as a responsible regulator of the 
U.S. nuclear energy infrastructure. And DOE's misguided plans to revive 
spent fuel reprocessing and plutonium recycle in the U.S. and to 
encourage it abroad--albeit under the guise of ``proliferation-
resistant'' technology--will only increase the threat of nuclear 
proliferation and nuclear terrorism in the world.
    It is therefore up to Congress to ensure that any nuclear component 
of a comprehensive national energy policy be fully consistent with the 
fundamental objectives of homeland security and non-proliferation. This 
requirement raises difficult policy issues. It is becoming increasingly 
apparent that effective homeland security cannot be bought on the 
cheap. It may turn out that the cost of measures needed to provide the 
American people with adequate protection from nuclear and radiological 
terrorism will be too great for the nuclear industry to bear and remain 
economically viable. If the security of nuclear facilities can be 
guaranteed only with public subsidy, Congress should assess how its 
constituents feel about using their tax money for this purpose. But if 
public reaction is decidedly negative, Congress needs to reconsider 
whether nuclear energy should have a significant role in the future or 
whether efforts should be directed toward technologies that present 
less tempting targets to terrorists.
    I would now like to discuss a few specific objectives that are in 
our view essential elements of a responsible nuclear energy policy.
    If nuclear power is to have a continuing role in the nation's 
energy mix, there must be a fundamental change in our approach to 
protecting nuclear power plants and materials from being used as 
instruments of terror. Nearly 18 months after the September 11 attacks, 
NRC is still dragging its heels in putting into place a new framework 
for nuclear facility protection, the nuclear industry is bitterly 
resisting any new security requirements that will cost it money, and 
policymakers throughout the government appear no closer to resolving 
the crucial issue of who should have responsibility for protecting 
nuclear facilities against September 11-scale threats. Congressional 
action is needed to break these logjams, and the section on ``Nuclear 
Facility Threats'' in the draft energy bill under discussion is a step 
in the right direction.
    The draft legislation would authorize a Presidential review of 
threats to nuclear facilities, in consultation not only with NRC but 
with other appropriate agencies. This review would take into account 
realistic assessments of the post-September 11 terrorist threat, and 
would identify an appropriate ``design basis threat'' (DBT), 
establishing the dividing line between the level of protection that is 
the responsibility of NRC licensees and the level that is the 
responsibility of the Federal Government. This question raises complex 
policy issues requiring high-level consideration and full interagency 
involvement, including the appropriate role of Federal assets in 
protecting commercial nuclear facilities.
    This review is needed because right now the decision on a revised 
DBT is being made entirely within NRC, including closed-door 
consultations with the industry on the impact of the revision on its 
financial bottom line. This is inappropriate. The magnitude of today's 
terrorist threat should be based on the best intelligence information, 
something that utility executives are not in a position to assess. And 
the decision as to where the responsibility of the industry stops and 
that of the Federal Government begins should obviously involve a wider 
group than just the NRC and the industry it regulates.
    A related issue that needs to be addressed is that the private 
sector is having difficulty providing security forces flexible enough 
to adjust rapidly to changes in the homeland security threat status. 
Utilities have proven to be unwilling to hire new security guards to 
meet the greater demands associated with an increase in the threat 
status if it appears that the higher alert will only last for a short 
time, as has been the case so far. But